Re: Open Carry
[Re: rex123]
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09/10/19 09:17 PM
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GritGuy definitely use common sense when exercising open carry. Unfortunately, some folks aren't blessed with much of it.
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Re: Open Carry
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09/10/19 09:20 PM
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In some states, you have to have a permit to carry concealed, but you do not need a permit to open carry. Nebraska was that way. I never had a concealed carry permit when I lived there because I could carry anywhere it was legal without a permit as long as it was open carried. That is the way Michigan is now.
To Old U.S. Army 60-63 SGT.
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Re: Open Carry
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09/10/19 09:25 PM
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Yes sad to say they are now day's more seldom than those who do.
It's been said here in a manner of different ways, that if you have a license for concealed, you should not open carry, that it makes your CCW invalid, how that would happen I fail to see when you still have the choice to do so either. It's yet to be challenged in a court, but most instructors here will advise that the question may come up if your ever in a situation, whether you have your CCW license on you or not.
CCW here gives one way more latitude to carry in more places than open ever would now day's. I just don't see the sense in carrying open and arguing about being called on it in front of a whole lot of spectators watching the whole show, but some seem to like this kind of attention or so it seems, especially those walking around with a rifle strapped upside down over their shoulder !
Sorry if my opinions or replies offend you, they are not meant to !
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Re: Open Carry
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09/10/19 09:27 PM
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If the big box stores do not want open carry because it is costing them business they will just have them declared SAFE ZONES. Now your canceled carry is gone. Sure you can do your best to cancel but IF you are caught you broke the law. JMO
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Re: Open Carry
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09/10/19 09:32 PM
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As far as Open Carry, not in favor in some area's. Why would I want to carry a Colt 45 tied down going out to dinner with my wife in the middle of the city. If it is a bad area stay out of there to start with. JMO but you have that right!
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Re: Open Carry
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09/10/19 10:08 PM
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Bigbob does it bother you to see someone open carry? It bothers me for several reasons. 1.I think , as James said, it makes others nervous and is lousy PR for firearms in general. 2. I can't understand anyone wanting to give up the element of surprise. It makes no sense tactically. 3. This is the really big one for me..... if I see someone walk into a restaurant where I am eating, and he is open carrying......I don't know which side this guy is on. Now, regardless of how ravishing my dinner date is, I have to pay attention to this clown that has some hawgleg on his hip, rather than the hot little number across the table !!
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Re: Open Carry
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09/10/19 10:47 PM
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Why carry openly? Makes other people nervous, doesn't help keep the public on the side of gun owners.
Jim A right un-exercised is a right lost! that is why keeping the public aware that law abiding gun owners are real and there in their every day and cause no harm is an aid , if we just hide int he darkness then we are whatever they say we are. but if we stand in the light , present ourselves well then they can see we are just people and not the monsters the politicians, media and antis paint us as. just like when someone realizes that fur is a renewable resource that , we take largely from the excess population that would starve in an over populated habitat . the look on their face when you stick your hand with just a work glove on into a foot hold and you haven't lost any fingers broken any bones , your not bleeding. suddenly they realize the lies they have been told that they have believed wrongly. when they are talking to the father of 2 well behaved little girls in the checkout line then spot your gun and your not a monster , your a loving parent who only wishes to insure the safety of your family. it changes their paradigm.
America only has one issue, we have a Responsibility crisis and everything else stems from it.
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Re: Open Carry
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09/11/19 12:04 AM
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Open carry guys (in public places) are just showboaters….period.
Tactically it's like playing poker and showing your cards. So it has nothing to do with keeping people safe...it's about attention.
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Re: Open Carry
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[quote=James]Why carry openly? Makes other people nervous, doesn't help keep the public on the side of gun owners.
Jim A right un-exercised is a right lost! that is why keeping the public aware that law abiding gun owners are real and there in their every day and cause no harm is an aid , if we just hide int he darkness then we are whatever they say we are. but if we stand in the light , present ourselves well then they can see we are just people and not the monsters the politicians, media and antis paint us as. just like when someone realizes that fur is a renewable resource that , we take largely from the excess population that would starve in an over populated habitat . the look on their face when you stick your hand with just a work glove on into a foot hold and you haven't lost any fingers broken any bones , your not bleeding. suddenly they realize the lies they have been told that they have believed wrongly. when they are talking to the father of 2 well behaved little girls in the checkout line then spot your gun and your not a monster , your a loving parent who only wishes to insure the safety of your family. it changes their paradigm. [/ You could accomplish the same thing with a tee shirt expressing your support for an uninfringed second amendment. Also more likely to have a meaningful conversation with them.
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Re: Open Carry
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09/11/19 07:11 AM
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A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear concealed Arms, shall not be infringed.
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Re: Open Carry
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A right un-exercised is a right lost! that is why. I exercise my 2A right every single day. I choose not to advertise it.
Eh...wot?
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Re: Open Carry
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09/11/19 07:21 AM
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Cops open carry, why not citizens? I don't understand why people, especially gun owners, are so against this. It's almost as a person is thought of as bad/criminal, even by gun owners, for open carrying. I myself am for Constitutional carry. No permit required to carry open or concealed. Maybe I see the 2nd and the people who participate in that right in the simplest form as the amendment is written. Don't agree with the group that places stipulations like it must be concealed carry to exercise this right. Now if one is looking for the element of surprise concealed is the way to go. As for store policy, it's their business do with it as you wish. However, if you turn it into a political statement not supporting the second, as Walmart has done, don't expect me to spend my dollars at your place of business.
All exactly as I see it.
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Re: Open Carry
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Open carry guys (in public places) are just showboaters….period.
Tactically it's like playing poker and showing your cards. Maybe open carry is like showing your royal straight flush..Might keep some yahoos from trying to call your hand. :)I think it should be up to the individual.Open carry doesn't bother me,,but I carry concealed myself.
Last edited by upstateNY; 09/11/19 07:53 AM.
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Re: Open Carry
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09/11/19 08:07 AM
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More and more being in possession of a handgun for your own safety in public is being vilified. It is a waypoint to the eventual goal of banning gun ownership. If everyone open carried a handgun maybe these mass shooters would be put down fast when they decide to kill a bunch of innocent folk.
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Re: Open Carry
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Why carry openly? Makes other people nervous, doesn't help keep the public on the side of gun owners.
Jim Some people, yes. Not me.
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Re: Open Carry
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A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear concealed Arms, shall not be infringed. Sure are a lot of people on here that kinda support the 2nd. until it makes someone else "uncomfortable or nervous."
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Re: Open Carry
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you have to understand the Wisconsin situation some to understand there is a place for OPEN carry.
Wisconsin has been an open carry state since it's beginning. never since 1848 has it been illegal to open carry.
so when concealed carry was vetoed by the governor and held up in the assembly several times before that. the people of WI took to well researched open carry. It like the first amendment is a tool for change.
the chose wisely the places , they knew their rights and they open carried while at the same time recording everything with digital voice recorders.
they let the police repeatedly harass and arrest them for disorderly conduct. then they sued the cities who had arrested them and the won , over and over and over again. costing these cities repeated legal and judgment expenses.
at the same time some were illegally concealed carrying but then needing to use their gun to fend off attack. cases where the prohibition on concealed carry was decided unconstitutional as it applied to those cases were mounting.
these pressures lead to a quick effort to keep control and act 35 of 2011 was passed before we had defacto concealed carry.
shall issue , 40 dollars for your first 5 years , 22 dollars for each additional 5 years , very few restrictions , may open or conceal carry.
it has a place. and no a t-shirt does not have the same effect.
America only has one issue, we have a Responsibility crisis and everything else stems from it.
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