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Re: Climate [Re: rex123] #6614979
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I never said you were dishonest, so not sure who their talking about. Could be someone added words somewhere.

I did call out your hypocracy tho, to which you had no response.

(i see that James interjected that word. You also claim to dislike people doing that.)

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Re: Climate [Re: hippie] #6614984
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Originally Posted by hippie
I never said you were dishonest, so not sure who their talking about. Could be someone added words somewhere.

I did call out your hypocracy tho, to which you had no response.

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Anyone who claims that I intentionally post anything that is not true is a liar.
Maybe some believe any OPINION that does not match there is a lie.................And somebody's going to jump on your spelling soon, hip.

Re: Climate [Re: rex123] #6615106
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I fail to see anyone claim that either.

Are you reaching for straws? (paper ones)

Have a good day grackle.

Re: Climate [Re: rex123] #6615124
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I own stock in many companies. I am not an activist investor. To invest that way, I'd have to research every company's position on every issue. That would be pretty hard for the stocks in my IRAs and other retirement funds that others manage for me.
I suppose I could do it in the portfolio I manage myself, but it would cut into my gains without having any effect on the actions of the companies.

Anyway, thanks for wishing me a good day, hip.

Re: Climate [Re: rex123] #6615138
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One more question, then the floors all yours.

I understand that for investments, but what i don't understand is your support on every Walmart thread knowing what i already pointed out and expecially showing support on the thread about Walmart backing an anti-gun group.(anytown)

Your reason if it isn't investments is?

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Re: Climate [Re: rex123] #6615142
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Grackle,you said oil companies get subsidies and tax breaks, not aware of subsidies. Enlighten me please.

Re: Climate [Re: rex123] #6615199
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From Forbes June 15, 2019:

A new International Monetary Fund (IMF) study shows that USD$5.2 trillion was spent globally on fossil fuel subsidies in 2017. The equivalent of over 6.5% of global GDP of that year, it also represented a half-trillion dollar increase since 2015 when China ($1.4 trillion), the United States ($649 billion) and Russia ($551 billion) were the largest subsidizers.

Re: Climate [Re: rex123] #6615240
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Subsidies include all Gov. interaction in an industry, including tax breaks which I believe the fossil fuel industry gets by being able to deduct exploration and equipment right away instead of prorated. I saw where the Gov. gave Green Energy 14 billion in subsidies and fossil fuel 489 million. All kinds of facts out there.

Re: Climate [Re: Rat Masterson] #6615326
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Yes the depreciation and exploration are tax deductible as are all costs in a business and all businesses can use the 179 depreciation which allows the full depreciation in one year, however the very large subsidy that the oil industry gets is the over 20% they can deduct for what is called a depletion allowance. They can deduct the cost of using up their oil supply. I wish I could get a depletion subsidy on my ground I plant, or the rats I take out of the resource or the coons, or the loggers as well. They will never cut that tree again.

Bryce

Re: Climate [Re: rex123] #6615493
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James,

you filing an appeal on behalf of your "client", or do you accept the verdict?

Re: Climate [Re: rex123] #6615551
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I could be wrong but I believe the only oil companies allowed to use the depletion allowance are independent(small) companies. Major oil companies do not qualify for the depletion allowance. Small companies finance their drilling budget from current cash flow. The depletion allowance was designed for them to be able to invest their cash flow into new drilling, both exploratory and development wells. I would argue that this has been of tremendous value to the average taxpayer. I will explain my reasoning if anyone is interested.

Re: Climate [Re: rex123] #6615570
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To refute an unsubstantiated claim someone made earlier, NASA actually says the earth is warming. https://climate.nasa.gov

Jim


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Re: Climate [Re: white marlin] #6615572
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Originally Posted by white marlin
James,

you filing an appeal on behalf of your "client", or do you accept the verdict?


Your scenario was ridiculous, and anyway, as I've said numerous times, I never practiced criminal law.

Jim


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Re: Climate [Re: rex123] #6615659
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2 growing seasons in Ohio? Ok.


Will my toes ever warm up?

I'm Gonna die with my boots on.

Tim Henry.





Re: Climate [Re: rex123] #6615660
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110 degrees in Ohio? Okay?

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Re: Climate [Re: rex123] #6615671
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I could be wrong but I believe the only oil companies allowed to use the depletion allowance are independent(small) companies. Major oil companies do not qualify for the depletion allowance. Small companies finance their drilling budget from current cash flow. The depletion allowance was designed for them to be able to invest their cash flow into new drilling, both exploratory and development wells. I would argue that this has been of tremendous value to the average taxpayer. I will explain my reasoning if anyone is interested.


Below is the link I used to make my statement regarding oil depletion. I did not read or find the references you were discussing and yes if you are able to share your knowledge for our benefit please do so.

Bryce

https://www.mineralweb.com/owners-guide/leased-and-producing/royalty-taxes/depletion-allowance/

Re: Climate [Re: rex123] #6615682
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China signed the Paris accord on climate change and agreed to stop or limit pollution . But I have to assume it's all just a game because in the same breathe they will have between 3 and 5 hundred new coal powered power plants on line in the next 10 to 12 years.So I really think the rest of the world should get off our case and go after them. Just my 2 cents.

Re: Climate [Re: James] #6615683
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Originally Posted by James
To refute an unsubstantiated claim someone made earlier, NASA actually says the earth is warming. https://climate.nasa.gov

Jim


James that would be me!

It’s not unsubstantiated, it’s a fact. You just don’t hear about it because of FAKE NEWS. If you buy global warming 100% and never research the facts you wouldn’t know any better, so I’ll give you a pass. NASA satellites data showed 15-18 years of NO warming. That’s when they came up with the new term “the pause “ to explain why there is no warming. It’s Data not my opinion. What does a lake in Colorado lowering have to do with Global warming. We had lakes at record lows here in Kansas last year and they were closed this year because of high water levels. KDWP lost millions because people couldn’t camp. Campsites where under water!!! The Climate Nuts will just say “see the lakes are flooded “ it’s climate change, but I know and many others it’s just the norm. Maybe we haven’t seen it in our lifetime, but I it’s happened before . I seriously doubt senator Cruz would testify in senate hearings about it in front of the whole world. If he didn’t have the facts to back it up. Not trying to be a pain in the butt, but look at the other side of it.


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Originally Posted by James
Originally Posted by white marlin
James,

you filing an appeal on behalf of your "client", or do you accept the verdict?


Your scenario was ridiculous, and anyway, as I've said numerous times, I never practiced criminal law.

Jim


it is NOT ridiculous! it is EXACTLY what is going on!!!

please explain why you think it's ridiculous...SPECIFICALLY!

Re: Climate [Re: Pawnee] #6615687
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Originally Posted by Pawnee
Originally Posted by James
To refute an unsubstantiated claim someone made earlier, NASA actually says the earth is warming. https://climate.nasa.gov

Jim


James that would be me!

It’s not unsubstantiated, it’s a fact. You just don’t hear about it because of FAKE NEWS. If you buy global warming 100% and never research the facts you wouldn’t know any better, so I’ll give you a pass. NASA satellites data showed 15-18 years of NO warming. That’s when they came up with the new term “the pause “ to explain why there is no warming. It’s Data not my opinion. What does a lake in Colorado lowering have to do with Global warming. We had lakes at record lows here in Kansas last year and they were closed this year because of high water levels. KDWP lost millions because people couldn’t camp. Campsites where under water!!! The Climate Nuts will just say “see the lakes are flooded “ it’s climate change, but I know and many others it’s just the norm. Maybe we haven’t seen it in our lifetime, but I it’s happened before . I seriously doubt senator Cruz would testify in senate hearings about it in front of the whole world. If he didn’t have the facts to back it up. Not trying to be a pain in the butt, but look at the other side of it.

[quote=Pawnee][quote=James]

You're not a pain in the butt for making your case and arguing respectfully to others.

I cited a web link to show that NASA says the earth is warming overall. You haven't cited anything.

You can't just say my evidence is fake news. Google it yourself.

Jim

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