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Re: Instinct or smarts [Re: Pawnee] #6615332
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I personally think it is something learned long ago that is now a bred into them instinct. I used to always see coyotes when I was custom haying, especially at night

Re: Instinct or smarts [Re: bblwi] #6615355
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Originally Posted by bblwi
Instinctive, learned opportunity based on life experiences. Many farmers here will see whole families of yotes or reds following along behind the haybines as the canines look for all the voles that will be run through the crushing rolls. That is usually 3rd cutting around here. It is also amazing how many skunks are out in the alfalfa fields looking for grubs and get run through the machines. Their odor will help keep one awake. Not as bad now with all the machines with cabs, air etc.
When farmers chisel or moldboard in the fall many times hundreds of gulls fly right around the equipment looking for all the worms.

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Instincts arent learned. Instinct is inborn. It has to be a learned behavior

Re: Instinct or smarts [Re: Michael Lippold] #6615357
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Originally Posted by Michael Lippold
I personally think it is something learned long ago that is now a bred into them instinct. I used to always see coyotes when I was custom haying, especially at night

Maybe???

Re: Instinct or smarts [Re: Pawnee] #6615385
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Opportunists, nothing more.
Prior to the harvest, all of those prey animals lived there, and the predators fed on them unseen.
Cutting down the prey's cover only made the predator's work easier and more visible to the observer.

Re: Instinct or smarts [Re: cci] #6615421
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Originally Posted by cci
Originally Posted by bblwi
Instinctive, learned opportunity based on life experiences. Many farmers here will see whole families of yotes or reds following along behind the haybines as the canines look for all the voles that will be run through the crushing rolls. That is usually 3rd cutting around here. It is also amazing how many skunks are out in the alfalfa fields looking for grubs and get run through the machines. Their odor will help keep one awake. Not as bad now with all the machines with cabs, air etc.
When farmers chisel or moldboard in the fall many times hundreds of gulls fly right around the equipment looking for all the worms.

Bryce

Instincts arent learned. Instinct is inborn. It has to be a learned behavior


I agree.


Eh...wot?

Re: Instinct or smarts [Re: Pawnee] #6615542
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Conditioned response.

Re: Instinct or smarts [Re: Lugnut] #6615688
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Originally Posted by Lugnut
A learned behavior.

I think so too!

Re: Instinct or smarts [Re: 20scout] #6615692
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Originally Posted by 20scout
Do they hear the panic from the rodents as the field is cleared? It's well known that predators can hear things we as humans can not.


I think you maybe on to something. These pups haven’t seen silage harvest before! I also think it’s a bit of personality. It takes a bit of bravery to walk along a 650 HP machine looking for a meal. Could be a combination of instinct, and intellect


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Re: Instinct or smarts [Re: Pawnee] #6615701
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Similar to bears bedding down around camp grounds and finding the dumpsters or laying out their bird feeder route. When in high school we had lots of reds in the early 60s and the reds would come out and follow the manure spreader during the winter.

I guess another way to view this is it does not take too many generations to change the lifestyles of those individuals that live and reproduce around human activities.

Bryce

Re: Instinct or smarts [Re: bblwi] #6615703
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Originally Posted by bblwi
Similar to bears bedding down around camp grounds and finding the dumpsters or laying out their bird feeder route. When in high school we had lots of reds in the early 60s and the reds would come out and follow the manure spreader during the winter.

I guess another way to view this is it does not take too many generations to change the lifestyles of those individuals that live and reproduce around human activities.

Bryce

Nailed it Bryce!


I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
Re: Instinct or smarts [Re: cci] #6615753
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Originally Posted by cci

Instincts arent learned. Instinct is inborn. It has to be a learned behavior


Instincts can in fact be learned. That's what all training is about. Doesnt matter if its your bird or coon dog or people. You drill and drill until you can do something without even thinking about it.

Re: Instinct or smarts [Re: Pawnee] #6615762
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When I mow one section of our lawn, a Catbird lands and picks up bugs and returns to a nearby limb. Back and forth the Catbird gets bugs, all while I'm mowing close by.
I feel this a learned behavior. The sound or site of tractor is a conditioned response.

Re: Instinct or smarts [Re: Pawnee] #6615861
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I think a learned behavior. In the west, a gun shot could mean gut pile/food for the king of the forest.

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Re: Instinct or smarts [Re: snowy] #6615868
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By the time I completed basic training I was instinctively performing actions that I did not have in me or with me before I completed the training. When I played hockey I learned that if X was getting the puck at Y I would instinctively go to C.

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Re: Instinct or smarts [Re: SNIPERBBB] #6615878
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Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB
Pavlov's dogs. All animals learn by association.

That.

Re: Instinct or smarts [Re: SNIPERBBB] #6615880
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Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB
Originally Posted by cci

Instincts arent learned. Instinct is inborn. It has to be a learned behavior


Instincts can in fact be learned. That's what all training is about. Doesnt matter if its your bird or coon dog or people. You drill and drill until you can do something without even thinking about it.

That isnt instinct. You are born with instincts. If its learned its a learned behavior.

Re: Instinct or smarts [Re: bblwi] #6615883
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Originally Posted by bblwi
By the time I completed basic training I was instinctively performing actions that I did not have in me or with me before I completed the training. When I played hockey I learned that if X was getting the puck at Y I would instinctively go to C

Bryce

Thats conditioning, not instinct. Instinct is a 6 week old pup pointing thats never seen it before

Re: Instinct or smarts [Re: Pawnee] #6615889
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Learned behavior after several generations becomes instinct

Re: Instinct or smarts [Re: Pawnee] #6615917
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Its instinct that goes back to hunting next to grazing cows and buffalo picking up stepped on rodents bugs and fleeing critters .once they figure out the big thing isnt going to hurt it they are going to check out the ground disturbance they do it with bulldozers to as for getting excited as things get narrower and the flush gets neer they can hear or sense so much prey they dont know what to go after first

Re: Instinct or smarts [Re: hippie] #6615930
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Originally Posted by hippie
Learned behavior after several generations becomes instinct


I agree.


Eh...wot?

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