Re: Instinct or smarts
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Instinctive, learned opportunity based on life experiences. Many farmers here will see whole families of yotes or reds following along behind the haybines as the canines look for all the voles that will be run through the crushing rolls. That is usually 3rd cutting around here. It is also amazing how many skunks are out in the alfalfa fields looking for grubs and get run through the machines. Their odor will help keep one awake. Not as bad now with all the machines with cabs, air etc. When farmers chisel or moldboard in the fall many times hundreds of gulls fly right around the equipment looking for all the worms.
Bryce Instincts arent learned. Instinct is inborn. It has to be a learned behavior
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Re: Instinct or smarts
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I personally think it is something learned long ago that is now a bred into them instinct. I used to always see coyotes when I was custom haying, especially at night Maybe???
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Re: Instinct or smarts
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Instinctive, learned opportunity based on life experiences. Many farmers here will see whole families of yotes or reds following along behind the haybines as the canines look for all the voles that will be run through the crushing rolls. That is usually 3rd cutting around here. It is also amazing how many skunks are out in the alfalfa fields looking for grubs and get run through the machines. Their odor will help keep one awake. Not as bad now with all the machines with cabs, air etc. When farmers chisel or moldboard in the fall many times hundreds of gulls fly right around the equipment looking for all the worms.
Bryce Instincts arent learned. Instinct is inborn. It has to be a learned behavior I agree.
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Re: Instinct or smarts
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Re: Instinct or smarts
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Do they hear the panic from the rodents as the field is cleared? It's well known that predators can hear things we as humans can not. I think you maybe on to something. These pups haven’t seen silage harvest before! I also think it’s a bit of personality. It takes a bit of bravery to walk along a 650 HP machine looking for a meal. Could be a combination of instinct, and intellect
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Re: Instinct or smarts
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Similar to bears bedding down around camp grounds and finding the dumpsters or laying out their bird feeder route. When in high school we had lots of reds in the early 60s and the reds would come out and follow the manure spreader during the winter.
I guess another way to view this is it does not take too many generations to change the lifestyles of those individuals that live and reproduce around human activities.
Bryce Nailed it Bryce!
I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
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Re: Instinct or smarts
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Instincts arent learned. Instinct is inborn. It has to be a learned behavior
Instincts can in fact be learned. That's what all training is about. Doesnt matter if its your bird or coon dog or people. You drill and drill until you can do something without even thinking about it.
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Re: Instinct or smarts
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I think a learned behavior. In the west, a gun shot could mean gut pile/food for the king of the forest.
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Re: Instinct or smarts
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Pavlov's dogs. All animals learn by association. That.
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Re: Instinct or smarts
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Instincts arent learned. Instinct is inborn. It has to be a learned behavior
Instincts can in fact be learned. That's what all training is about. Doesnt matter if its your bird or coon dog or people. You drill and drill until you can do something without even thinking about it. That isnt instinct. You are born with instincts. If its learned its a learned behavior.
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Re: Instinct or smarts
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By the time I completed basic training I was instinctively performing actions that I did not have in me or with me before I completed the training. When I played hockey I learned that if X was getting the puck at Y I would instinctively go to C
Bryce Thats conditioning, not instinct. Instinct is a 6 week old pup pointing thats never seen it before
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Re: Instinct or smarts
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Learned behavior after several generations becomes instinct I agree.
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