Rep. Jordan Blasts Red Flag Laws
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Re: Rep. Jordan Blasts Red Flag Laws
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The guy is exactly right. It is 100% unconstitutional. They are taking away a persons rights without due process. A 2nd grade constitutional scholar could figure that one out.
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Re: Rep. Jordan Blasts Red Flag Laws
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Take Nancy Regan advice and just say no. Forcefully
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Re: Rep. Jordan Blasts Red Flag Laws
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Red flag laws sound nice in theory-take crazy people's guns away before they use them shoot people. Seems simple when you phrase it like that. The problem is that you're taking away a person's rights based on something they*might* do, or based on something they did that was maybe weird but not illegal (things like acting crazy, making random empty threats, etc). For a red flag law to work, it'd require extreme due process. For me to get behind it, it'd require a trial of sorts with a jury of peers, nothing could be taken away until after this trial, and guns could only be taken away for things that a person has actually done, not what they might do, and only a small specific list of things, spelled out in the law-things like attempted suicide or specific realistic threats of harm with a gun (not just "I'm gonna kill you", but a specific threat of violence with a gun.)
I've yet to see any proposals for red flag laws that I could support.
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Re: Rep. Jordan Blasts Red Flag Laws
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Threatening someone can be a felony. “Red Flag” already exists. Hard to shoot somebody from a jail cell.
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Re: Rep. Jordan Blasts Red Flag Laws
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The guy is exactly right. It is 100% unconstitutional. They are taking away a persons rights without due process. A 2nd grade constitutional scholar could figure that one out. X2, thankfully we still have someone like Jordan in there. Not sure he will be able to stop it though, hopefully the Senate will.
I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
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Re: Rep. Jordan Blasts Red Flag Laws
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We use to lock the crazies up.
Not sure which is more un-constitutional, taking their gun or throwing them in a mental hospital. Niether are unconstitutional at all after proper due process has been applied. The 14th amendment says "No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law." The debate is what that due process should be.
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Re: Rep. Jordan Blasts Red Flag Laws
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The real danger is going to be people walking around all bottled up because they can’t blow off a little steam verbally, fearing the due process of Red Laws.
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Re: Rep. Jordan Blasts Red Flag Laws
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Red flag laws sound nice in theory-take crazy people's guns away before they use them shoot people. Seems simple when you phrase it like that. The problem is that you're taking away a person's rights based on something they*might* do, or based on something they did that was maybe weird but not illegal (things like acting crazy, making random empty threats, etc). For a red flag law to work, it'd require extreme due process. For me to get behind it, it'd require a trial of sorts with a jury of peers, nothing could be taken away until after this trial, and guns could only be taken away for things that a person has actually done, not what they might do, and only a small specific list of things, spelled out in the law-things like attempted suicide or specific realistic threats of harm with a gun (not just "I'm gonna kill you", but a specific threat of violence with a gun.)
I've yet to see any proposals for red flag laws that I could support. You have a lot of faith in a less than perfect judicial system . Juries are hand picked ,and then repicked by prosecution and defense
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Re: Rep. Jordan Blasts Red Flag Laws
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Red flag laws sound nice in theory-take crazy people's guns away before they use them shoot people. Seems simple when you phrase it like that. The problem is that you're taking away a person's rights based on something they*might* do, or based on something they did that was maybe weird but not illegal (things like acting crazy, making random empty threats, etc). For a red flag law to work, it'd require extreme due process. For me to get behind it, it'd require a trial of sorts with a jury of peers, nothing could be taken away until after this trial, and guns could only be taken away for things that a person has actually done, not what they might do, and only a small specific list of things, spelled out in the law-things like attempted suicide or specific realistic threats of harm with a gun (not just "I'm gonna kill you", but a specific threat of violence with a gun.)
I've yet to see any proposals for red flag laws that I could support. You have a lot of faith in a less than perfect judicial system . Juries are hand picked ,and then repicked by prosecution and defense I don't have very much faith in it, actually. But a jury of peers is better than a single judge deciding someone's fate.
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