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State Electrical Inspector......ARGH #6620177
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Who knows the ropes? I had no idea how controlling they are. Im turning my shop into a living quarters. What a pain! Hes telling me I have to wire for 220V heating. Id rather use a small propane stove and wood stove. How can I get around this?


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Re: State Electrical Inspector......ARGH [Re: Gary Benson] #6620183
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Every outlet has to be tamper resistant. Within 6 ft of water has to be GFCI also. Bathroom has to be on one circuit. Kitchen, minimum of two circuits. Outlet 6' from one corner of a room, then every 12' around the room
MANDATORY. Ridiculous.


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Re: State Electrical Inspector......ARGH [Re: Gary Benson] #6620187
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Originally Posted by Gary Benson
Every outlet has to be tamper resistant. Within 6 ft of water has to be GFCI also. Bathroom has to be on one circuit. Kitchen, minimum of two circuits. Outlet 6' from one corner of a room, then every 12' around the room
MANDATORY. Ridiculous.


Except for the tamper resistant thing these all seem reasonable. We have done those since the early 80s.

Re: State Electrical Inspector......ARGH [Re: Gary Benson] #6620190
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"Please be advised that according to state law, permits and inspections for wiring of single family dwellings are only legally required if a new electrical service is installed. You may leave the system now, if you are not installing a new electrical service, and do not wish to have the wiring you're installing inspected, if it's not a requirement of law. If you wish to have the work you're doing inspected regardless of whether it's legally required, please click the 'Continue' button, and inspections will be conducted per your request. All electrical work, whether permits and inspections are legally required or not, must comply with the electrical code, and the inspector will require wiring deficiencies to be repaired in either case."

That's copied and pasted straight from the state of Nebraska electrical permit application website. Basically you can do your own wiring without a permit and inspection, if it's your own house, as long as you're not installing a new service (new wiring from the pole to the building). I'm in the (very slow) process of changing wiring in my home from knob and tube to modern wiring, one room, one circuit at a time. It'll be years before it's all done. Always do your work up to code, of course, but you don't necessarily need a permit and inspection in Nebraska.




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Re: State Electrical Inspector......ARGH [Re: Gary Benson] #6620191
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I didn't know they could tell you what kinda heat you had to use.. that seems little over the top. Wood I know they get weird about in some places more so your insurance people. But why no propane? What if you wanted to do a pellet stove? lot folks here in town have those.


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Re: State Electrical Inspector......ARGH [Re: Gary Benson] #6620194
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I have never heard of making anyone wire for a heating system they don't plan to use.

Re: State Electrical Inspector......ARGH [Re: Gary Benson] #6620248
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I believe that the bathroom circuit is to be on a GFIC Breaker so the whole room is protected. Some States will not allow wood as the primary heat source, thus the electric heat suggestion. Electric radiant floor heat fits the bill.

Re: State Electrical Inspector......ARGH [Re: Gary Benson] #6620253
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I think all outlets near any water or outside have to be GFCI protected. If it was my house I'd do that even if code did not call for it. The 12' max between out lets is to lessen the chance that extension cords will be used. Most corded items will 6'.

Re: State Electrical Inspector......ARGH [Re: Gary Benson] #6620273
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All kitchen, bathroom, garage, laundry rooms, and basement units have to be GFCI protected, Pretty much every other location has to be AFCI protected...bedrooms, living rooms, closets, halls, etc. Kitchen needs 2 separate appliance circuits, each bathroom needs it's own circuit, at least one lighting circuit for every 600 square feet, kitchen outlets no more than 4 feet away on every counter at least 12 inches deep, one outlet in every hallway more than 10 feet long, all outlets must be no more than 12 feet apart, any wall more than 24" long needs an outlet, Pretty much every fixed appliance gets it's own circuit, make sure your boxes are sized appropriately, etc etc etc. There's tons of rules to follow. Follow the safety rules so your house doesn't burn down, but you don't need an inspector.

Re: State Electrical Inspector......ARGH [Re: Gary Benson] #6620283
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There are articles in the NEC that are exasperating... And there are loopholes that are mind-blowing.

If you have a room with a shower/tub and toilet WE would call it a bathroom... But by NEC standards unless there is a sink/basin in there, then it isn't a bathroom.

The NEC is set up to offer a basic standard, but remember that your local inspector can supersede code for whatever reason they deem necessary. So asking what HE (or she) is willing to accept can help you more than asking us what code allows.

I haven't decided if AFCI's live up to the hype and expense yet... But there is no doubt in my mind about GFCI's saving lives... They have saved me from a pretty nasty shock or potentially death more than once.

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Re: State Electrical Inspector......ARGH [Re: Gary Benson] #6620314
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You would like working in North Brook ILL

never more than 6 feet of flexible conduit otherwise hard conduit , everything is hard wired for appliances including the microwave

this is the commercial code from 24 years ago last time I worked down there


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Re: State Electrical Inspector......ARGH [Re: Gary Benson] #6620320
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So, Gary, what would you like to do (get away with)? I guess, I have always wired everything myself and never worried about inspectors. Are you running a new service wire from the pole or are you tying into the panel in your home? If you are running from an existing panel (breaker box) you should be able to do what you want without inspection. You might have more trouble if you have to get the power company involved to run a new service from the pole.


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Re: State Electrical Inspector......ARGH [Re: Gary Benson] #6620368
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I've rewired my house and additions I put on being the owner I pulled the permit and had it inspected for insurance and re-sale reasons over the last 45 years of re-modeling my old house I've met all kinds of inspectors some were very helpful then there was the other kind


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Originally Posted by loosegoose
All kitchen, bathroom, garage, laundry rooms, and basement units have to be GFCI protected, Pretty much every other location has to be AFCI protected...bedrooms, living rooms, closets, halls, etc. Kitchen needs 2 separate appliance circuits, each bathroom needs it's own circuit, at least one lighting circuit for every 600 square feet, kitchen outlets no more than 4 feet away on every counter at least 12 inches deep, one outlet in every hallway more than 10 feet long, all outlets must be no more than 12 feet apart, any wall more than 24" long needs an outlet, Pretty much every fixed appliance gets it's own circuit, make sure your boxes are sized appropriately, etc etc etc. There's tons of rules to follow. Follow the safety rules so your house doesn't burn down, but you don't need an inspector.


May be in Ne , but in Ky only kitchen outlets on the wall the sink is on have to be GFCI . Laundry no (figure that one). As for the arc fault breakers EVERYONE is leaving them in until inspected then switching back over to standard. Appliances , hair dryer , etc will kick them out . Pain in the butt.
But if you are not pulling a permit for new service than it doesn't need inspecting unless you want peace of mind.....

Also when you say living quarters what do you mean. Kid get divorced moving back in,? Wife kicking you out ? I would want it inspected if someone I loved was sleeping in it ... I'm a liscensed electrician and if someone in my family was sleep in it it would be inspected. Another set of eyes to make sure it is safe.......

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Re: State Electrical Inspector......ARGH [Re: Gary Benson] #6620441
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Originally Posted by Gary Benson
Who knows the ropes? I had no idea how controlling they are. Im turning my shop into a living quarters. What a pain! Hes telling me I have to wire for 220V heating. Id rather use a small propane stove and wood stove. How can I get around this?


All inside work?

Should've just done what you wanted to do. I will never get a permit to do anything to my house/shop that isn't adding on.(outside footprint.)

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Re: State Electrical Inspector......ARGH [Re: Gary Benson] #6620709
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“May be in Ne , but in Ky only outlets on the wall the sink is on have to be GFCI.”

I find this hard to believe. The NEC requires a gfci within 6’ of the edge of the sink. KY can not disregard the NEC requirements. Only go above and beyond the code.


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I agree the tamper resistance covers is weird, here depending on the situation we go between 4 and 6 feet between outlets, gfci in the kitchen, bathroom, outside and in laundry rooms. The 220 power for heat maybe to stop the use of milk house heaters, but I do know here a lot depends on the inspector you get on how hard they are on you.

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New service...thats what got all the attention. Im doing what it takes to get along.


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Re: State Electrical Inspector......ARGH [Re: Gary Benson] #6620754
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That's bummer Gary.

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