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Re: State Electrical Inspector......ARGH [Re: Bob_Iowa] #6621057
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Originally Posted by Bob_Iowa
I agree the tamper resistance covers is weird, here depending on the situation we go between 4 and 6 feet between outlets, gfci in the kitchen, bathroom, outside and in laundry rooms. The 220 power for heat maybe to stop the use of milk house heaters, but I do know here a lot depends on the inspector you get on how hard they are on you.


And it could be that some treat you depending upon the way they are treated by you.
The electrical code may have a little overkill written into it but That's better than the other way around.
Now some of the building code in places can be a little much.

Re: State Electrical Inspector......ARGH [Re: Gary Benson] #6621147
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Just wire it all up and bury it behind sheetrock, then call the power company to energize the meter/panel, then, ask for forgiveness. grin


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Re: State Electrical Inspector......ARGH [Re: Gary Benson] #6621165
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That stinks. Last barn I built I got a residential permit and went through all of that. This barn I'm building is a ag permit and they said here you go and handed me the permit and waived all the fees and inspections. Thats how we roll here apparently. Good luck. Alot of people get in a tizzy about what the inspector "makes" them do. Usually its not that big of deal and you can just do it so it passes. But man some people go on an on how they got screwed over by the inspector. I never really understood it.

Re: State Electrical Inspector......ARGH [Re: Pasadena] #6621184
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Originally Posted by Pasadena
“May be in Ne , but in Ky only outlets on the wall the sink is on have to be GFCI.”

I find this hard to believe. The NEC requires a gfci within 6’ of the edge of the sink. KY can not disregard the NEC requirements. Only go above and beyond the code.


Ok what about the wall ACROSS from the sink ??? The refrigerator plug? Plugs Around the stove ? NONE have to be GFCI .... UNLESS close to the sink.

You yourself stated WHY they don't have to be GFCI KEY word 6FEET within sink !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: State Electrical Inspector......ARGH [Re: Gary Benson] #6621192
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Originally Posted by Gary Benson
New service...thats what got all the attention. Im doing what it takes to get along.


Not just getting along it's the law. 99.9 % of the electrical codes are for safety. Now are some of them ridiculus ? Yep . The reason they require a 200 amp service is because the potential for future add -ons. PLUS this may sound funny but when you check on the prices a 200 amp service with breakers will normally cost less than 100 amp. Lots of companies and supply houses have package deals where the breakers come with the panel.

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Re: State Electrical Inspector......ARGH [Re: Gary Benson] #6621194
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My wiring book (not the NEC code book, but a book about wiring based on the 2017-2020 NEC) says that all kitchen small appliance circuits have to be GFCI, and there has to be 2 20amp small appliance circuits. Seems to me the easiest thing to do would be to wire them up using regular outlets and GFCI breakers, and not worry about what exact locations have to be GFCI. Better safe than sorry.

Re: State Electrical Inspector......ARGH [Re: Gary Benson] #6621197
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I wired my kitchen with 2 20 amp gfis and the other outlets down stream in series of those, making the whole kitchen gfi protected. I did so AFTER consulting with my electrician.

The changes the OP mentioned do not seem absurd to me. Shop codes are different than living space over here.

After a lifetime of work I'm glad to see SOME codes rather than farmer built.
(easy, I like farmers)

I do feel the pain. At this time I am struggling to come up with a railing for outside steps. Legal seems to equal $$$





Re: State Electrical Inspector......ARGH [Re: Gary Benson] #6621211
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Issue is cost. GFCI breakers are more expensive than plugs. Plus you can daisy chain all the plugs on a kitchen counter around the sink with just one plug. Same for garage and out side outlets. Most jobs we do the garage outlets and the ones out side the house are on one circuit. RUN thru one GFCI plug located in the garage. Heck until 2017 dish washer and / or garbage disposals didn't even have to be GFCI and they where under the sink .

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Re: State Electrical Inspector......ARGH [Re: Wright Brothers] #6621214
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Originally Posted by Wright Brothers
I wired my kitchen with 2 20 amp gfis and the other outlets down stream in series of those, making the whole kitchen gfi protected. I did so AFTER consulting with my electrician.

The changes the OP mentioned do not seem absurd to me. Shop codes are different than living space over here.

After a lifetime of work I'm glad to see SOME codes rather than farmer built.
(easy, I like farmers)

I do feel the pain. At this time I am struggling to come up with a railing for outside steps. Legal seems to equal $$$



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Re: State Electrical Inspector......ARGH [Re: jbyrd63] #6621227
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Originally Posted by jbyrd63
Originally Posted by Pasadena
“May be in Ne , but in Ky only outlets on the wall the sink is on have to be GFCI.”

I find this hard to believe. The NEC requires a gfci within 6’ of the edge of the sink. KY can not disregard the NEC requirements. Only go above and beyond the code.


Ok what about the wall ACROSS from the sink ??? The refrigerator plug? Plugs Around the stove ? NONE have to be GFCI .... UNLESS close to the sink.

You yourself stated WHY they don't have to be GFCI KEY word 6FEET within sink !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Read your own quote. You say Ky only requires them on the wall the sink is on. It doesn’t matter where the sink is at, bathrooms require GFCI protection period, doesn’t matter how far from the sink they are.


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Re: State Electrical Inspector......ARGH [Re: Gary Benson] #6621318
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I did read my own QUOTE !!! The question was the KITCHEN !!!!!!!!!!!!! Not all plugs are within 6 ft of the sink ..... Of course the bathroom is required hard to have an outlet that is that far away from the sink . toilet , shower or tub

IN THE KITCHEN

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Re: State Electrical Inspector......ARGH [Re: Gary Benson] #6621326
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also when you think you have all the outlets you will need add 3-4 more . LOL

Re: State Electrical Inspector......ARGH [Re: Gary Benson] #6621334
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Thought I had all I needed, then got to the washing machine outlet,,,
the famous one more trip to the store.

Daisy chain is the term I should have used rather than down stream.

Mechanicals, plumbing electric etc, are not that difficult, but those guys with the van full of fittings and parts, that's cheating lol.





Re: State Electrical Inspector......ARGH [Re: Gary Benson] #6621337
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If the first outlet in a circuit is protected by a gfci, the downstream outlets are protected by it, correct?

Re: State Electrical Inspector......ARGH [Re: gryhkl] #6621347
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Originally Posted by gryhkl
If the first outlet in a circuit is protected by a gfci, the downstream outlets are protected by it, correct?
Yes, as long as you wire it correctly. The wires from the electrical panel and the wires to the other outlets have to go in the correct places on the GFCI outlet (marked "line" and "load"). IF you do it backwards, everything will still work but you won't have GFCI protection.

My understanding is that using a GFCI breaker causes less nuisance tripping than using a GFCI outlet and then wiring a bunch of outlets after it. The more outlets after, the more nuisance tripping you may experience.

Re: State Electrical Inspector......ARGH [Re: Gary Benson] #6621424
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Thanks loosegoose. I thought so.

Re: State Electrical Inspector......ARGH [Re: Gary Benson] #6621652
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Do you wish to insure it? Probably will need to be code and a licensed installer.

Re: State Electrical Inspector......ARGH [Re: Gary Benson] #6621696
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Good lord. I’m glad we don’t have codes. What a pain in the rear!!


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Re: State Electrical Inspector......ARGH [Re: Gary Benson] #6621817
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I don't see how they can make you wire it for electric heat Gary. Allot of extra expense you won't use.

When I built my garage, I wired one wall with outlets and then had them hook me up so I had power to complete the building. They only checked that day and were never back.

Re: State Electrical Inspector......ARGH [Re: Gary Benson] #6621849
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seeing some of the stuff i have fixed over the years that harryhomeowner did, kinda like having some of the codes


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