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Re: Supporting 2A should be illegal [Re: white17] #6623057
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My parents are staunch conservatives and die-hard Republican voters, but they think ARs should be banned.

Might be telling to find out how many in BOTH parties believe in the Second Amendment.

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Re: Supporting 2A should be illegal [Re: white17] #6623059
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Oh I agree there are those in both parties that will go down that road. The dems will do it based on ideology. The reps will do it based on ignorance and the mistaken belief that government knows best. Constitution be darned !


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Re: Supporting 2A should be illegal [Re: James] #6623097
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Originally Posted by James
I disagree with you somewhat (not entirely), and I am confident enough that I am going to buy an AR just to give the finger to Beto.

I made a new bet against Trump winning re-election, so that means I think a Dem will win. I wouldn't buy the Beto gun unless I felt pretty sure ARs won't be banned.

Why do I think a new Dem administration won't ban ARs? If they're paying attention to what 72% of their own party wants, they won't. The Senate and/or courts will likely stop over-reach.

Look, at some time in the future, ARs will probably get banned. They're just such an easy target for the gun-grabbers. All we can do is forestall that day. Maybe every gun owner should buy an AR, just to make sure we have skin in the game.

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James, Politico found that 86% of democrats want an assault weapon ban. Other polls I have read recently found that 89% to 93% of democrats support an assault weapon ban. The democrats are the gun control party. If a democrat wins the presidency, the democrats who voted them in will insist on an assault weapon ban. It is their major issue right now.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/07/poll-most-voters-support-assault-weapons-ban-1452586

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Re: Supporting 2A should be illegal [Re: white17] #6623103
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Your link says that most REPUBLICANS support an AR ban.

Troubling, if true.

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Re: Supporting 2A should be illegal [Re: white17] #6623107
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It's a difference between 55% of GOP voters as opposed to 86% of Democrat voters. Significant difference.

Republicans typically are more reticent to support new gun restrictions, and Trump campaigned in 2016 on his strong support for the Second Amendment. But the poll found that 55 percent of GOP voters were comfortable with banning assault weapons.

Support for an assault-weapons ban was higher, at 86 percent, among Democrats.



Re: Supporting 2A should be illegal [Re: white17] #6623111
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The democrats have been trying to find an issue to unite their base and get them to the polls. The democrats have tried uniting their base by pushing amnesty for illegal aliens and open borders, free college tuition for all, abortion rights, LGBT&Q rights, Medicaid for all, impeaching President Donald Trump and reparations for slavery. None of those issues have stoked the political ire of democrats the way the ban of scary black guns has.

If a democrat wins the presidency, they will have no choice but to create an assault weapons ban and proceed with confiscation, even if they believe it will likely be found unconstitutional. It's what an overwhelming majority of democrats desire

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Re: Supporting 2A should be illegal [Re: white17] #6623118
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"abortion rights, LGBT&Q rights, Medicaid for all, impeaching President Donald Trump"

I'm with the Dems on the above mostly, but not on the rest. (MediCARE for all!)

What IS going on down there in the Lower 48? Up here, even most Dems don't want to ban ARs.

Trump is bringing out the worst extremes of both sides.

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Re: Supporting 2A should be illegal [Re: Paul Dobbins] #6623119
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Originally Posted by Paul Dobbins
It's a difference between 55% of GOP voters as opposed to 86% of Democrat voters. Significant difference.

Republicans typically are more reticent to support new gun restrictions, and Trump campaigned in 2016 on his strong support for the Second Amendment. But the poll found that 55 percent of GOP voters were comfortable with banning assault weapons.

Support for an assault-weapons ban was higher, at 86 percent, among Democrats.


I saw that, but I was more surprised at the figure for Republican voters. There goes my theory that the Senate will block any AR ban.

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Re: Supporting 2A should be illegal [Re: white17] #6623122
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I would guess a much higher proportion of Alaskans use, or know someone who uses rifles, than people in most of the lower 48 states, because it is easier to do so there. The people living in cities, in the lower 48, have to travel to and pay fairly high fees, to shoot at a private range. They can't just legally shoot on their tiny properties. Most ranges are indoor, fairly small and are hand gun only. There are very few private gun ranges in most cities. Waits can be long and range times limited. The other option is to travel a considerable distance to the countryside to shoot. Most public lands do not allow target shooting, except for a very few that have designated shooting ranges. This leads to people taking part in other, easier to engage in activities, instead of shooting sports.

Hunting obviously shares most of the same issues, so most city people don't use rifles.

Sadly, most people who don't take part in an activity, have little to no care in protecting the rights of others to take part in that activity. A larger problem is that many Americans fail to see any problem with the destruction of the Second Amendment, because they fail to understand why we have it. They don't comprehend that we may need to be able to come together to depose a tyrannical government as many of my many great grandfathers did 243 years ago.

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Re: Supporting 2A should be illegal [Re: white17] #6623123
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It's not very easy to shoot here in Anchorage. Discharging firearms, even airguns, in city limits is illegal. There's a shooting range two miles from my place, and another one about thirty miles away, and that's it. All the pull-offs where people used to shoot and plink have been blocked or closed by the encroaching nanny culture. Shooting opportunities for the young especially are much fewer than in central Ohio, where I grew up.

Anchorage is different from most of Alaska. We are surrounded by water (Cook Inlet) and mountains, with only one road leaving town to the south, and one more leaving from the north end of town. The Anchorage bowl in between the mountains and the sea is urbanized; no fields or farms. The mountains are in a state park near town. You can't drive to the outskirts of town and go shooting somewhere. The Rabbit Creek Rifle Range near my home is the only place in the Anchorage bowl where you can legally shoot. It's crowded only right before and during hunting season, so Anchoragites aren't doing a lot of shooting.

But Alaskans have a more live and let live philosophy. I may not want an AR, but why should I care if you have one, so long as you're not hurting anyone?

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Re: Supporting 2A should be illegal [Re: white17] #6623159
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P.S. for those about to quote the bible I will only listen to those who are 100% behind the ten commandments and dedicated to supporting equally everything written in Leviticus. No more picking and choosing. All or none.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Supporting 2A should be illegal [Re: brianmall] #6623165
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Originally Posted by brianmall
The world will fall into pure chaos when we fall.

Reagan spoke of the world falling into a thousand years of darkness if these States united fall. Historically the last time Judeo/Christian Greco/Roman Western European civilization fell, the world suffered under 800 years of poverty, misery, rape, slavery, disease and death. We still call it "The Dark Ages".

Liberty (Freedom plus Responsibility) is the greatest prosperity engine known to man. Amazing
that instead of increasing Liberty and Prosperity for all, the whole world is racing headlong into greater tyranny, poverty and misery. So sad.


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Re: Supporting 2A should be illegal [Re: white17] #6623166
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I doubt I'll listen much to them even if they strictly adhere to Leviticus.

Last I looked, the Bible had no Second Amendment.

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Re: Supporting 2A should be illegal [Re: white17] #6623179
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If you think all they want to ban is ARs, you all are smoking dope.


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Re: Supporting 2A should be illegal [Re: white17] #6623193
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The biggest reason both parties percentage is so high for a ban, is what the liberal media tells them almost daily.

Re: Supporting 2A should be illegal [Re: danny clifton] #6623207
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
P.S. for those about to quote the bible I will only listen to those who are 100% behind the ten commandments and dedicated to supporting equally everything written in Leviticus. No more picking and choosing. All or none.

Leviticus has been amended (Matthew 5: 38-42). Under your rules is this amendment allowed?


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Originally Posted by James
I doubt I'll listen much to them even if they strictly adhere to Leviticus.

Last I looked, the Bible had no Second Amendment.

Jim

There is no greater an example of individual freedom than that granted by the Almighty. Free will.


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Re: Supporting 2A should be illegal [Re: white17] #6623223
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Mathew 5:

38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:

39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.

41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.

42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.


I don't understand the reference, J Staton.

It's interesting, though, that nowhere in Matthew 5 does Jesus condemn homosexuality or abortion.

Also, in verse 32 there is this interesting piece: "whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery."

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I think it’s more important to remember that the second is in the Constitution is to secure a place so you folks can disagree with one another and practice a religion or not, providing it doesn’t infringe on one another’s individual pursuits granted in the previously assigned document,


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Originally Posted by DuxDawg
Originally Posted by brianmall
The world will fall into pure chaos when we fall.

Reagan spoke of the world falling into a thousand years of darkness if these States united fall. Historically the last time Judeo/Christian Greco/Roman Western European civilization fell, the world suffered under 800 years of poverty, misery, rape, slavery, disease and death. We still call it "The Dark Ages".

Liberty (Freedom plus Responsibility) is the greatest prosperity engine known to man. Amazing
that instead of increasing Liberty and Prosperity for all, the whole world is racing headlong into greater tyranny, poverty and misery. So sad.



Yup

Only we've gotten better at killing each other and now have the technology to censor, monitor, and control travel. And as a whole we have forgotten how to live off the land.

It will make the dark ages look like a preschool class!

We as a race have never been put in a situation where we would all give up our govern rights as individual nations. Just hasn't been that bad of an environment globally yet.. nor have we had the technology to make a one world govt possible.

Now we do and I believe we are about to see the conditions right to allow for a one world govt (Antichrist).

I'm think less than 40 years?

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