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Climate change ? #6623357
09/23/19 11:19 AM
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What caused the earth to warm up after the last ice age ?? Was it fred flinstones car??


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Re: Climate change ? [Re: Hydropillar] #6623360
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Sorry I can't answer you question. There has always been climate change but the concern is now is how fast it is changing.


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Re: Climate change ? [Re: Hydropillar] #6623363
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The LAST ice age? Been many ice ages before the last one...and more to come. If we look at the earths temps (best they can determine) as far back as they can kind of find, we will find this warm up is right in line with several warm ups in the past. In Geologic terms "This aint nothing new". Only new to us...which we've only been here a very short time. People nowadays are horrible at looking at the big picture.

On that note, In length Vs timeframe, the dinosaurs were here the length of a football field....Humans the thickness of one blade of grass. Hows that for perspective?

Global warm up SCAM.

Re: Climate change ? [Re: Hydropillar] #6623370
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More like the "thin" side of the blade of grass.

Re: Climate change ? [Re: Getting There] #6623383
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Originally Posted by Getting There
Sorry I can't answer you question. There has always been climate change but the concern is now is how fast it is changing.


UMmmmmmmm Not really !

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Re: Climate change ? [Re: Hydropillar] #6623426
09/23/19 01:30 PM
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Take the money out of the equation and it will be like, “What climate change?” lol


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Re: Climate change ? [Re: Hydropillar] #6623445
09/23/19 02:21 PM
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When I was young many years ago and in around the fifth grade we got something in class called the weekly reader. News articles and science news for kids. Anyway most of the articles on weather were about the coming ice age. And past climate warming and cooling which they said happened every 4 or 5 thousand years. All of it backed up by scientist at the time.

Re: Climate change ? [Re: Hydropillar] #6623449
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Well im going to stick to my theory freds car didnt have brakes and when he put his shoe down it caused friction and therefore heat which is the cause of global warming !


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Re: Climate change ? [Re: Hydropillar] #6623479
09/23/19 03:39 PM
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As most state the climate is always changing and it will continue to do so. If there is little to nothing we can do about change there are many things we can do with infrastructure etc. to mitigate the fall out and damage that is being caused to humans and all creatures while the process is on going. Too bad we decided to make this political instead of reality, which is something we can deal with.

Oceans will continue to rise for several reasons. With continued Arctic and Antarctic thawing, tundra thawing and land erosion sending billions of tons of silt to the oceans the water levels will rise and many places will be in need of infrastructure adjustments. Under our current divisive ways we don't even address what we should do about those issues. Redoing trillions of dollars or aging infrastructure worldwide will create millions of jobs and provide for more safe, efficient and durable living and commercial properties along our world's coast lines. Billions of people live in close proximity to the ocean shores worldwide and thus being proactive on something that may be beneficial with our without serious climate change makes sense to me.

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Re: Climate change ? [Re: Hydropillar] #6623482
09/23/19 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Hydropillar
Well im going to stick to my theory freds car didnt have brakes and when he put his shoe down it caused friction and therefore heat which is the cause of global warming !


Sorry, Brother, but you are mistaken. Fred didn't wear shoes. grin


Dinosaur farts were the culprit. They just farted themselves out of existence. Never mind the volcanos and asteroids, it was the farts.



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Re: Climate change ? [Re: Hydropillar] #6623485
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The question is what caused the cooling that created the ice ages. That's what people should be concerned with, because it is going to happen again.

Maybe a hotter Earth is more normal than a colder Earth.

Re: Climate change ? [Re: wr otis] #6623528
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Hotter may be better but we will need to make the needed adjustments to deal with the changes.

We are seeing shifts, albeit small in the range and size of the corn belt with the current genetics we are utilizing. We may need to find some genetics that can pollinate better when temps are 95 % plus. Soybeans have done well in Brazil which has much less daylight hour swings then we do here in our 40ish parallels as they are a photo period crop. There are many areas of northern Europe much warmer than the corn belt that can't raise corn nearly as well as they do not get warm enough during the 6 weeks of setting, forming and filling ears. We best not reduce livestock production too much until we know how many of our current crops will do in changing environments. Much vegetation that is poor human food is great livestock food and those species have not been nearly as modified from their evolved state as most of our commodities have.

Bryce

Re: Climate change ? [Re: Hydropillar] #6623543
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Friend of mine owns local feed store, he said today a nice car or a house is a luxury. In the future he says food is going to be a luxury. I believe him, wise man for a feed store owner.

Re: Climate change ? [Re: Hydropillar] #6623547
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stop worrying!

we are the most adaptable species (next to coyotes and cockroach, er…"palmetto bugs").

we'll figure it out as things change. (when the water gets up to our front porch step, we'll move!)

Re: Climate change ? [Re: white marlin] #6623556
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Originally Posted by white marlin
stop worrying!

we are the most adaptable species (next to coyotes and cockroach, er…"palmetto bugs").

we'll figure it out as things change. (when the water gets up to our front porch step, we'll move!)


But if everybody would just stop what they are doing I wouldn’t have to move. lol


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Re: Climate change ? [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6623570
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For me it is not about worrying, it is about looking forward and being able to be proactive regarding the needed changes. We are seeing more nomadic shifts in populations the last decades. As the population grows those migrations can have enormous impacts on the ecosystems, especially the ones that are more fragile by nature to begin with.

Bryce

Re: Climate change ? [Re: wr otis] #6623575
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Originally Posted by wr otis
The question is what caused the cooling that created the ice ages. That's what people should be concerned with, because it is going to happen again.


Solar activity, and the lack thereof. Look into Solar Cycles, Grand Solar Minimums and Maximums. 98% of all climate on Earth is directly driven by the sun. 2% by volcanic activity. 0.0000006% of global climate is caused by all of mankind throughout all of human history combined.

Originally Posted by wr otis
Maybe a hotter Earth is more normal than a colder Earth.

Exactly. They don't have a clue what normal would be.

Besides, with a hotter than now Earth our options are numerous. As global climate cools our options shrink rapidly.


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Re: Climate change ? [Re: bblwi] #6623580
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Originally Posted by bblwi
For me it is not about worrying, it is about looking forward and being able to be proactive regarding the needed changes. We are seeing more nomadic shifts in populations the last decades. As the population grows those migrations can have enormous impacts on the ecosystems, especially the ones that are more fragile by nature to begin with.

Bryce


WHO is supposed to be more proactive? To whom are you ceding the power to make those choices?

WHY?

Re: Climate change ? [Re: Hydropillar] #6623583
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Well they are predicting snow this Saturday here, on September 28th so...


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Re: Climate change ? [Re: Hydropillar] #6623589
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There are trillions that can be spent on old infrastructure that needs to be redone anyway and we can build with future thoughts in mind. We have spent nearly 3 trillion in the Middle East in the last 20 years in military engagements. We may have been able to create far more jobs and improve much of our infrastructure here and abroad with those funds. Obviously not all would be spent on such projects but much could have. Just some barrier projects that would help the Outer Banks and regions like that make sense as storm surges are here ready or not. Can't protect all of it but certainly we could improve a lot on what we have now. Today we just rely on FEMA and insurance which is the reactive approach.

Bryce

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