Re: Cleaning traps. Must I remove all dye?
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09/30/19 09:30 AM
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I'll power wash mine and get off the dirt and any loose stuff then let them sit a few days and dye them.
Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!
Jerry Herbst
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Re: Cleaning traps. Must I remove all dye?
[Re: Kingcuda]
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09/30/19 10:48 AM
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The use of WHITE vinegar and water 40/60 is best. Leave a couple of days if removing rust. Pull and power wash at the car wash if you don't have a power washer.. Then either dye/wax or just wax.
Lots of choices.
Vietnam--1967 46th. Const./Combat Engineers
"Chaotic action is preferable to orderly inaction." "After the first shot, all plans go out the window!"
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Re: Cleaning traps. Must I remove all dye?
[Re: Calvin]
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09/30/19 10:51 AM
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Overthinking it.
Just wash and wax. No need to ever boil traps. Even new ones just get washed and waxed if planting In the ground. Took me decades to figure that out.
Actually I learned that from someone a lot smarter than I (that Indiana vet). Now I think of all the time I wasted boiling traps over the years.
Vinegar is just used if you have a super rusty trap. It removes rust. x2
Common sense is a not a vegetable that does well in everyone's garden.
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Re: Cleaning traps. Must I remove all dye?
[Re: Kingcuda]
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09/30/19 11:51 AM
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Interesting. I always thought that boiling was necessary to remove smells trapped in old wax and rust spots. Those of you who don’t boil, you haven’t had an issue with canines digging?
I’m curious now, cause if you’re telling me I can skip the boiling step without worrying about scent it’s gonna save me a ton of time....
"I have two guns, one for each of ya."
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Re: Cleaning traps. Must I remove all dye?
[Re: Kingcuda]
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09/30/19 11:54 AM
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I use calcium chloride on my sets so that’s why I wax. I don’t dye at all, always thought that was just for color and I never saw the point to dying a trap that’s buried. Maybe I need to rethink a few things.
"I have two guns, one for each of ya."
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Re: Cleaning traps. Must I remove all dye?
[Re: Kingcuda]
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09/30/19 12:23 PM
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I boil in some kind of tannic acid, leaves, sumac berries or bark, then wax. But, you can just paint them. I think a good paint job then wax would hold up pretty darn good.
Right now I’m having amnesia and déjà vu at the same time. I think I’ve forgotten this before.
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Re: Cleaning traps. Must I remove all dye?
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09/30/19 01:16 PM
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Random stuff I think I've learned. >Dye is a misnomer for treating rust with tannin, because tannin was once used to dye cloth, steel can not be dyed, at all, period. >Vinegar removes rust but not wax, tannin won't do anything to a trap that is not rusty, so once it has been in vinegar a trap can not be "dyed". Oh, the vinegar also takes the zinc out of brass so any brass parts might want looking at. >Tannin converts rust to another compound, ferrous tannate. Somewhat inhibits new rust, a fully rusted trap can be coated completely with this and not rust further. >Wax coats the trap with oil, protects from rust by keeping oxygen away from steel and speeds up the action of the trap by lubrication. >Boiling water melts wax and the wax floats off the traps, wax removed. Not much else accomplished. Can be the vehicle for tannin treatment and this is the traditional reason for boiling. >Power washing removes dirt, debris, old meat or fat and any scale rust, but, gives no protection. If using hot water it may remove old wax. >Paint gives the trap any color you want but does little to inhibit rust; my truck was completely clean steel and rust free in a controlled environment when painted by professionals with highest quality paints and rust has grown and spread under that fine paint. >Lye turns fat or oil into soap and we used to use it to clean traps of blood, hair etc. often we used wood ashes as the lye source; won't clean rust or hurt the steel, used with boiling water it will remove the old wax >Old wax doesn't hurt any thing or absorb odors that weren't introduced while the wax was molten. If rewaxed the old wax will melt into the pot and be "new" wax. >A solid coating or patina of rust will prohibit or inhibit further rusting as in weathering steel used in bridges and buildings, it does this by excluding air from contact with bare steel. >Animals don't dig up rusty steel, my fence posts are still buried. Animals don't avoid rusty steel either they cross my fences every day. >Color of trap does not matter either under dirt or under water.
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Re: Cleaning traps. Must I remove all dye?
[Re: PAskinner]
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09/30/19 01:48 PM
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I boil in some kind of tannic acid, leaves, sumac berries or bark, then wax. But, you can just paint them. I think a good paint job then wax would hold up pretty darn good. I got lazy and used some primer that I bought several gals cheap at a sale. It was kinda rust or dirt color and really worked great. How ever when I was a kid it was something to kill time til trapping season came in to boil walnut hulls and or leaves and would rob my moms canning wax for a wax job. It was almost as much fun getting ready to trap as trapping itself, I said almost.
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Re: Cleaning traps. Must I remove all dye?
[Re: Kingcuda]
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09/30/19 04:41 PM
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All I do is clean the footholds of dirt and wire brush the ones that have build up of dirt and then boil in dye then dry and wax the traps for both land and water sets so I been doing this for years.It always works Conbears I just wire brush them and then dip in a mix of rubber and gas. I got the rubber mix many years ago from my fur buyer at the time he sold .
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