Re: predator gun????
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09/30/19 10:18 AM
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Which ammo is the most readily available of the options that have been hashed over? I think most options above have good over the counter options for ammo except maybe the .220 swift, at least around here the swift seems limited. Is the Valkyrie listing a good selection over the counter bullet gun? Adam I plan to use this new .17 for dispatch here and there on my cat line and for calling, if your still looking then I can give you a better report if the cats cooperate. That begins after thanksgiving. Actually weeks after starting this year. Osky
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Re: predator gun????
[Re: adam m]
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09/30/19 10:59 AM
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I've been curious about the valkyrie for awhile now. How big is the exit hole? I've plinked with the wsm just worried about the exit on a gray or a bobcat. Will the .22-250 be too much for fox?
This topic is interesting for sure. Keep them coming Fox and Cats you mentioned are the reason I chose the .17 Rem. None of the .20 cal rounds from the factory are great choices for them that I'm aware of. Ammo availability should not be a factor. You can order ammo on line 24 hours a day, just order a couple extra boxes so you won't run out.
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Re: predator gun????
[Re: adam m]
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09/30/19 12:19 PM
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From what I'v read or heard them 16"ers on a iowa class battlewagon makes a fine varmint gun, might be a bit big for cat or yote tho. Dennis
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Re: predator gun????
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09/30/19 01:04 PM
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I've been curious about the valkyrie for awhile now. How big is the exit hole? I've plinked with the wsm just worried about the exit on a gray or a bobcat. Will the .22-250 be too much for fox?
This topic is interesting for sure. Keep them coming Fox and Cats you mentioned are the reason I chose the .17 Rem. None of the .20 cal rounds from the factory are great choices for them that I'm aware of. Ammo availability should not be a factor. You can order ammo on line 24 hours a day, just order a couple extra boxes so you won't run out. IMO, 22-250 is definitely too much for fox, but might even be a little too strong for coyotes as well. I've handled some coyotes that were shot with 22-250s & 220 Swifts. The exit wounds made for a lot of sewing.
The difference between animals and humans is that animals would never let the dumbest ones lead the pack.
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Re: predator gun????
[Re: adam m]
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09/30/19 02:38 PM
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Don't believe it as much the caliber as the bullet construction and speed that does the damage. Have shot coyotes with a 270 and not more damage than done by a 22-250. Do believe most 270 loads are too much for most coyotes, but I was hunting big game at the time. A bullet that will enter the chest and disintegrate, doing major damage to the internals and not exiting is most preferable. Of course that entails a perfect shot and everything working properly. Best advice is to learn how to sew and try to minimize the damage, if possible. Gerry Blair was a big fan of the 10 gauge auto loader and could easily reach out to sixty yards. Is a lot easier to swing a scatter gun at close range then a rifle, but those that hang up at one or two hundred yards will need something to reach out and say "howdy". If I was calling mostly fox, I do believe a shotgun and a 17 cal will do the least damage.
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Re: predator gun????
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09/30/19 03:17 PM
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Don't believe it as much the caliber as the bullet construction and speed that does the damage. Have shot coyotes with a 270 and not more damage than done by a 22-250. Do believe most 270 loads are too much for most coyotes, but I was hunting big game at the time. A bullet that will enter the chest and disintegrate, doing major damage to the internals and not exiting is most preferable. Of course that entails a perfect shot and everything working properly. Best advice is to learn how to sew and try to minimize the damage, if possible. Gerry Blair was a big fan of the 10 gauge auto loader and could easily reach out to sixty yards. Is a lot easier to swing a scatter gun at close range then a rifle, but those that hang up at one or two hundred yards will need something to reach out and say "howdy". If I was calling mostly fox, I do believe a shotgun and a 17 cal will do the least damage. And Gerry's rifle of choice seemed to be the 22-250 in most of his writings for everything he encountered. But not saying it is the most fur friendly round. I sure wouldnt want it as top pick for fox gun.
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Re: predator gun????
[Re: adam m]
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09/30/19 04:13 PM
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Since I've been in on OVER 400 coyote kills, and OVER 400 fox kills :D, I will say this. It's hard to put the perfect Ballance together unless you reload. If going after both species, I'd probably go with a 17 Rem shooting a stoutly built hollow points. If after just fox, I'd tone it down Abit but still stick to .17 call. Strictly coyotes, I love my 22-250,s. I like a stout bullet with them too. Often get an exit but usually small. Coyotes can take alot of abuse if placement is not great.
swampgas chili and schmidt beer makes for a deadly combo
You have to remember that 1 out of 3 Democratic Voters is just as dumb as the other two.
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Re: predator gun????
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09/30/19 04:39 PM
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Since I've been in on OVER 400 coyote kills, and OVER 400 fox kills Prove it! Oh man
swampgas chili and schmidt beer makes for a deadly combo
You have to remember that 1 out of 3 Democratic Voters is just as dumb as the other two.
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Re: predator gun????
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09/30/19 04:48 PM
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My swift is a great rifle for lots of things but not fur friendly except on rare occasions.
Pete At last a 220 guy who is truthful ,The 22-250 is about the same .Kudos to you
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Re: predator gun????
[Re: adam m]
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09/30/19 06:14 PM
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Adam, really, if you don't reload, stick to a .223. A 55 grain softpoint will be your best bet. You will most likely get an exit on Fox n cats but it should be manageable.
swampgas chili and schmidt beer makes for a deadly combo
You have to remember that 1 out of 3 Democratic Voters is just as dumb as the other two.
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Re: predator gun????
[Re: adam m]
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09/30/19 06:26 PM
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Out here a lot of callers use the varmint tip bullets load them up and shoot the yotes right in the shoulder plate where they blow a hole that's pretty big. Then they expect you to skin/stretch/sew them up and give them the lions share of what you might get. I tell them when they buyers coming but they toss most of them.
Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!
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Re: predator gun????
[Re: adam m]
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09/30/19 06:31 PM
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Yep Jerry. The only plastic tipped one I'd recommend in nosler ballistic tip.
swampgas chili and schmidt beer makes for a deadly combo
You have to remember that 1 out of 3 Democratic Voters is just as dumb as the other two.
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Re: predator gun????
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09/30/19 06:32 PM
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Since I've been in on OVER 400 coyote kills, and OVER 400 fox kills :D, I will say this. It's hard to put the perfect Ballance together unless you reload. If going after both species, I'd probably go with a 17 Rem shooting a stoutly built hollow points. If after just fox, I'd tone it down Abit but still stick to .17 call. Strictly coyotes, I love my 22-250,s. I like a stout bullet with them too. Often get an exit but usually small. Coyotes can take alot of abuse if placement is not great.
I don't believe that! I'm going to have to know your age, weight and approximately the number of days a year you coyote hunt.
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