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heating for a shop #6630152
10/01/19 01:35 PM
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was thinking on a wood stove till i got to priceing flue kits eek
shop is 14x34 and will be insulated, thinking on a vent-less lp wall heater.


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Re: heating for a shop [Re: cotton] #6630173
10/01/19 02:06 PM
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We use a Clean Burn used oil furnace with a chimney that the smoke goes out. We have had it several years and we like it. Not a cheap up-front option but long term it seems to pay for itself. The propane companies we heat our poultry houses left us sit too many times. They let us run out of propane and yes we have self monitoring tanks but something wasn't working quite right .

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Re: heating for a shop [Re: cotton] #6630182
10/01/19 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by cotton
was thinking on a wood stove till i got to priceing flue kits.

One time expense. You will always be buying propane and seems the price keeps going up like everything else.

Re: heating for a shop [Re: cotton] #6630220
10/01/19 03:04 PM
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Djon't forget to check with your insurance company in regards to having a wood stove vs other types of heat. Wood might be cheaper for heat but the insurance to have may change your mind.


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Re: heating for a shop [Re: cotton] #6630236
10/01/19 03:25 PM
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Well here is some figures a guy sent me in 1979. I retyped and copied so hope I didn't make any mistakes. Remember you will have to adjust for inflation and other things such as insurance.

Stove, pipe and installation, etc.=============$458.00
CHAIN SAW======================================$149.95
Gas and oil and maintance of saw===============$ 44.00
4 Wheel Drive pickup with no frills===========$8379.04
Maintenance on truck==========================$438.00
Replace rear window on truck twice=============$310.00
Fine for cutting unmarked trees in state forest=$500.00
Fourteen cases of Michelob=====================$126.00
Littering fine=================================$50.00
Tow charge from creek==========================$50.00
Doctors fee for removal of slinter from eye====$45.00
Safety glasses=================================$49.50
Emergency room, broken toes (dropped log)======$125.00
Safety shoes===================================$49.50
New living room carpet=========================$800.00
Paint walls and ceiling========================$110.00
Worchester chimney brush and rods==============$45.00
log splitter===================================$150.00
Fifteen acre woodlot===========================$9000.00
Real taxes on woodlot==========================$100.00
Replace coffee table(burned while drunk)=======$75.00
Divorce settlement=============================$33,678.22
Total first year expenses======================$54732.21
Savings in conventional fuel===================$62.37
Net cost for first years wood burning==========$54.669.84

Re: heating for a shop [Re: Foxpaw] #6630238
10/01/19 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Foxpaw
Well here is some figures a guy sent me in 1979. I retyped and copied so hope I didn't make any mistakes. Remember you will have to adjust for inflation and other things such as insurance.

Stove, pipe and installation, etc.=============$458.00
CHAIN SAW======================================$149.95
Gas and oil and maintance of saw===============$ 44.00
4 Wheel Drive pickup with no frills===========$8379.04
Maintenance on truck==========================$438.00
Replace rear window on truck twice=============$310.00
Fine for cutting unmarked trees in state forest=$500.00
Fourteen cases of Michelob=====================$126.00
Littering fine=================================$50.00
Tow charge from creek==========================$50.00
Doctors fee for removal of slinter from eye====$45.00
Safety glasses=================================$49.50
Emergency room, broken toes (dropped log)======$125.00
Safety shoes===================================$49.50
New living room carpet=========================$800.00
Paint walls and ceiling========================$110.00
Worchester chimney brush and rods==============$45.00
log splitter===================================$150.00
Fifteen acre woodlot===========================$9000.00
Real taxes on woodlot==========================$100.00
Replace coffee table(burned while drunk)=======$75.00
Divorce settlement=============================$33,678.22
Total first year expenses======================$54732.21
Savings in conventional fuel===================$62.37
Net cost for first years wood burning==========$54.669.84

The only question I have is, where are you buying your Michelob that cheap!!!


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Re: heating for a shop [Re: cotton] #6630283
10/01/19 04:49 PM
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lol foxpaw is so many things on that list i wouldn't be paying ifin i was burning wood


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Re: heating for a shop [Re: cotton] #6630286
10/01/19 04:51 PM
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wouldn't be heating the shop all the time, just when i was working or had some wood panels glued up and drying.
lp gas is pretty high and going up all the time tho


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Re: heating for a shop [Re: cotton] #6630296
10/01/19 05:07 PM
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pellet stove?


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Re: heating for a shop [Re: cotton] #6630304
10/01/19 05:16 PM
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Pellet stove for me. Look for a good quality used one. Have one in the house and in the shop.

Re: heating for a shop [Re: cotton] #6630307
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I have a 30 x30 with 10 ft ceiling. I have 2 sources off heat. One is a 30,000 btu propane wall mount heater. The other is a thru the wall/window unit that is heat and air condition. 85,000 BTU. IF your building is insulated top to bottom this is all you will ever need. In the winter I leave the heat / air unit set on 50 degrees. But if it is really cold out I then kick the propane heater on. I use about 3/4 of a 120 lb cylinder each winter. Plus I'm in it almost every day.

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Best thing is right now with the heat index its 101 out side (yes hottest day on record for Oct) But my building is 72 !!!
Another important item is a ceiling fan. Get a cheap one from lowes. I have one on each side of my building . It pulls the heat down from the high ceiling in the winter . Plus moves some air in summer.

Re: heating for a shop [Re: cotton] #6630312
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The air conditioning raised my electric bill about 40-50 bucks a month. But worth every penny this summer as we have had 84 days and counting over 90 degrees. It doesn't run much once it cools down because there are no windows in the building and insulated between the trusses and the walls.....
R-19 in ceiling

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Re: heating for a shop [Re: cotton] #6630314
10/01/19 05:31 PM
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I always say wood stove. But then, since my shop is primarily a wood shop, that makes sense for me.

Re: heating for a shop [Re: cotton] #6630372
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don't go with no vent heat ,I try an had bad moisture problems

Re: heating for a shop [Re: cotton] #6630413
10/01/19 07:39 PM
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more i look more i like a small wood stove lol


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Re: heating for a shop [Re: cotton] #6630635
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I have a 20x16 insulated shop built in my 40x40 pole barn. I like to keep it between 50* -60* during the fur season. A small electric "milk house" heater with thermostat does this with no problem, and doesn't produce moisture like propane. If it gets really cold, single digits, I will kick on a 35,000 btu propane torpedo heater for a half hour or so . Wood burners are nice but are so hard to regulate temps in a smaller space. Go from to cold, wait for the heat, then to hot open a window, then just right then to cold repeat. Always tended to it.

Re: heating for a shop [Re: 20scout] #6630637
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Originally Posted by 20scout
Djon't forget to check with your insurance company in regards to having a wood stove vs other types of heat. Wood might be cheaper for heat but the insurance to have may change your mind.


The woodstove in my house hiked my insurance bill by $20/ year.

There's nothing like working on fur with wood heat in the dead of winter. Other heat sources just don't compare...and fur dries quite abit faster. BUT does it get that cold in VA to justify the expense? It does up here, however.

Re: heating for a shop [Re: cotton] #6630656
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Those ventless heaters are cheap and 100% efficient. I use acetone to clean the O2 sensor every couple years. Dust gets on them and the heater wont work. Unless you already have a splitter there is another purchase you will need. With all the health issues you have had over the years I somehow doubt you want to split wood by hand. Its nice to put that black knob at about 2 1/2 , and not build and feed a fire with wood you gave up several weekends to cut haul and split. Plus the money spent on that endeavor. P.S. those ventless heaters produce radiant heat just like a wood stove.


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Re: heating for a shop [Re: cotton] #6630657
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mine run on natural gas not propane but moisture isn't an issue


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Re: heating for a shop [Re: danny clifton] #6630683
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
Those ventless heaters are cheap and 100% efficient. I use acetone to clean the O2 sensor every couple years. Dust gets on them and the heater wont work. Unless you already have a splitter there is another purchase you will need. With all the health issues you have had over the years I somehow doubt you want to split wood by hand. Its nice to put that black knob at about 2 1/2 , and not build and feed a fire with wood you gave up several weekends to cut haul and split. Plus the money spent on that endeavor. P.S. those ventless heaters produce radiant heat just like a wood stove.



all the health stuff is in my mind too danny reckon when the time comes to put in the heat a wall mount lp heater will be going in the shop.
i drive a 2 wheel drive truck now and can still split wood just not as fast lol.


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