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No trap check changes #6632085
10/03/19 06:30 PM
10/03/19 06:30 PM
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Central, SD
Law Dog Offline OP
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Had a transport today so I got back a little after 2PM when the GFP Commissioner meeting started. The Anti commissioner and the Bird Lady were working together it looked like they were pretty much in lock step. Looking to change the trap check state wide to 24 hours from 2 days East river and 3 day checks West river. The bird lady (Audubon) started out demanding double the time for her as herself and then as representing the Audubon Society as a separate person. She kind of made it clear she looked to have some "issues". LOL The only ones that abused the time allotted was the 2 Anti's by manipulating the board, the other speakers that were signed up had the option to come back for more time.

The GFP was asking for 3 day checks statewide to make the checks consistent across the State (Or maybe to counter the 24 check idea) The only one supporting the 1 day check was the Anti commissioner the rest on the board voted to leave it was it was with no changes. This will come up again you can bet on that!

Our local State Rep was there so we explained about the way the Bird lady and the anti-commissioner work together on the anti trapping issues they have brought up over the last several years. Told her that guy needs to go so I introduced her to the trapping association folks that were in the hall with me.

Will see where it goes but she will talk with another State Rep she knows West river when they meet later this week. Will see where it goes from here.


Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!

Jerry Herbst
Re: No trap check changes [Re: Law Dog] #6632088
10/03/19 06:36 PM
10/03/19 06:36 PM
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Green Bay, Wisconsin
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Glad to hear of a victory for trapping, or at least holding off a presumed attack. Good on ya for attending.

Re: No trap check changes [Re: Law Dog] #6632099
10/03/19 06:49 PM
10/03/19 06:49 PM
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Thanks for the update. I listen to it live at work. I thought that was very fitting the bird lady started off by abusing her 3 min time limit. That right there had to turn the commissioner's off to her.

Re: No trap check changes [Re: Law Dog] #6632106
10/03/19 07:02 PM
10/03/19 07:02 PM
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The other one cheated also had her sister sign up and finish what she had on a paper that she did not have time to read.


Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!

Jerry Herbst
Re: No trap check changes [Re: Law Dog] #6632233
10/03/19 10:31 PM
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A good victory, but Lawdog is right, no doubt this will come up again. Some of the discussion made me nervous. We need to stay on top of this and in contact with our commissioners and Governor. Thanks to John and Craig from SDTA for staying on top of this!

Re: No trap check changes [Re: Law Dog] #6632253
10/03/19 11:10 PM
10/03/19 11:10 PM
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Bonner County, Idaho
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Good win for SD trappers. Stay vigilant and let us know if we can help. I'm more than willing to do anything I can to help fellow trappers in any state or country.


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Re: No trap check changes [Re: Wild_Idaho] #6632264
10/03/19 11:26 PM
10/03/19 11:26 PM
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SD, 30 mi S of Nation's Center
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Good to hear and thanks for the update Lawdog. I went to the SDGFP mtg in Spearfish last month and it was kinda weird watching this unfold.

Re: No trap check changes [Re: Law Dog] #6632269
10/03/19 11:32 PM
10/03/19 11:32 PM
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Central, SD
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Get rid of the anti-commissioner and that welcome matt will roll itself back up. He was singing a solo for the most part but then he encourages the crazy ladies to partake to support the 1/2 truths they spread.

His story of a rancher that traps and works a 20,000 acre ranch supposedly that the commissioner claims told him a 24 hour checks work just fine. If your working 20,000 acres your not trapping and giving it the respect a trapper should impossible. How stupid does he think people are to believe trapping is such a breeze you can do it on a lark.

I'd like to see a follow up on this rancher with a cape with a big R on his chest total BS!


Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!

Jerry Herbst
Re: No trap check changes [Re: Law Dog] #6632273
10/03/19 11:38 PM
10/03/19 11:38 PM
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Newark, Ohio 83 years
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Originally Posted by Law Dog


The GFP was asking for 3 day checks statewide to make the checks consistent across the State (Or maybe to counter the 24 check idea) The only one supporting the 1 day check was the Anti commissioner the rest on the board voted to leave it was it was with no changes. This will come up again you can bet on that!



Law Dog... I am not disagreeing with you or being argumentative with you, but I have always trapped in a state that has a 24 hr. check. I always managed to get everything checked within that 24 hr period, even though it meant I had to burn the candle at both ends. It really wasn't about the number of traps, because at times I was 150 traps and worked a full time job.

Can you please explain to me and others the advantage of a 2 or 3 day check over the 24 hr. check? I have pretty much always trapped within one to 1.5 counties. My home county is 42 X 40 miles. Again don't take no offense to what I am asking, because there is no intent of that, just curious.

Garry-


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Re: No trap check changes [Re: Law Dog] #6632278
10/03/19 11:47 PM
10/03/19 11:47 PM
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Central, SD
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So you ran 150 traps and put everything up the same night and you would do that for 7 months straight? I like the run one day and put up the next day and repeat if I have a slow put-up and maintenance day then I'd move traps around then. I always add about 6 traps on every check either filling in or adding on at the end.

If I had the 3 day check I'd run 2 lines and put up on the 3rd day. You have never been to Western SD maybe in some place there is nothing for endless miles and what's there when you get there is not much.


Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!

Jerry Herbst
Re: No trap check changes [Re: Law Dog] #6632279
10/03/19 11:51 PM
10/03/19 11:51 PM
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Central, SD
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Not being a jerk here but you have been restricted so long you think it's OK but to me it sounds like (Stockholm syndrome) maybe. We are in the top 5 on free living why would we give that up. My question would be why not 2-3 days?


Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!

Jerry Herbst
Re: No trap check changes [Re: Law Dog] #6632285
10/04/19 12:01 AM
10/04/19 12:01 AM
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Newark, Ohio 83 years
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No we only have a 3.5 month season here... so that is about half of the time. When I was much younger and running a full line, I only slept about 3 hrs a night. I couldn't do that now, but that many years back. I would get up at 4:00 AM check traps 2.5 hrs., go home, go to go to work … work a full day, start checking traps again, go home grab a quick meal, start skinning, fleshing and stretching until 12 to 1:00 go to bed get up and start over. Of course I was trapping muskrats, coon, fox and once in a while a mink. The only thing I didn't completely finish that day was coon. I would skin them, roll them, and freeze until weekend. I can't do any of that today.

I can see where what you do is more desirable, but at the time, I was selling all of the muskrat and coon meat... so it had to be fresh and done that day.

Thank you.

Garry-


“Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.”

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Re: No trap check changes [Re: Law Dog] #6632288
10/04/19 12:12 AM
10/04/19 12:12 AM
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Not saying it could not be done but why not do it all and still get a recharge day when you can it's more efficient this way. Never give up what you don't have to because they only will want more then.


Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!

Jerry Herbst
Re: No trap check changes [Re: Law Dog] #6632343
10/04/19 06:28 AM
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a 150 rats traps in a day would not be hard if you only had a couple stops, actor is only going about 40 miles or so ,so most all them traps have to be for rats , I agree with jerry don't give up anything , we as trapper have given up to much !!!!!

Re: No trap check changes [Re: Law Dog] #6632398
10/04/19 08:10 AM
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A straight, twenty-four hour check is ridiculous. Unless there is some other provision in the law, twenty-four hours would require a trapper to check a trap no later than the exact same time it was checked the previous day. If you checked that trap yesterday at 6:00 A.M. and checked it at 6:01 this morning, you're technically in violation.

Here in PA someone must have realized this. Our maximum check time is thirty-six hours. It is still basically a daily check but doesn't make everybody who oversleeps five minutes a criminal.


Eh...wot?

Re: No trap check changes [Re: Lugnut] #6632401
10/04/19 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Lugnut
A straight, twenty-four hour check is ridiculous. Unless there is some other provision in the law, twenty-four hours would require a trapper to check a trap no later than the exact same time it was checked the previous day. If you checked that trap yesterday at 6:00 A.M. and checked it at 6:01 this morning, you're technically in violation.

Here in PA someone must have realized this. Our maximum check time is thirty-six hours. It is still basically a daily check but doesn't make everybody who oversleeps five minutes a criminal.

yep









Re: No trap check changes [Re: Law Dog] #6632402
10/04/19 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Law Dog
Not saying it could not be done but why not do it all and still get a recharge day when you can it's more efficient this way. Never give up what you don't have to because they only will want more then.


Yep! 100% agree. Any trapper who says differently needs to re-read the story of "If you give a mouse a cookie..."


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Re: No trap check changes [Re: Law Dog] #6632466
10/04/19 09:24 AM
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The larger issue here is from whom the proposed changes originated. Animal rights activists proposing changes to trap checks, season lengths, and other management policies is dishonest at best. They're hostile to the very idea of managing wildlife. Their intent is not to improve policies and practices but to completely destroy them bit by bit. Such conflicts of interest need to be clearly pointed out at these meetings.

It would be like Antifa at a city council meeting proposing to reduce the police force by half and requiring officers to carry billy clubs instead of hand guns. The stated and unstated interests (inherent hostility toward law enforcement) are in conflict with the legitimate day-to-day administration and practices of police officers.


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Re: No trap check changes [Re: Law Dog] #6632467
10/04/19 09:24 AM
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Okay … I guess a person can no longer ask a question on here that SOME think is controversial … or that SOME think they are being attacked … to come and attack me or someone else. I ask the question because I never had the luxury of a 2 or 3 day check … I NEVER challenged anyone about it. I wanted to know, I was interested, and there was a war started. I thought I could ask a question from one of the members that I had looked up to as being respectable and well …..

I have nothing more to say about this and shall refrain from partaking in any further action in the open forum …

Sorry Paul …

Garry-


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Re: No trap check changes [Re: Law Dog] #6632536
10/04/19 10:50 AM
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Our law states now every calender day. It use to state every 24 hrs. Actor. No one was riding you. Gee'z Trapping in the Dakotas is way different then OH. I sure miss the days of running multiple lines in MN with the extended check laws. Glad it worked out for the SD trappers

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