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Shooting Does #6633640
10/05/19 10:00 PM
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I normally don't shoot does until later in the season. But the last few evenings. I've had a nice fatty showing up along with 4 others. The only reason I havn't shot her is. She has a yearling, I try not to shoot does with yearlings, but the yearling was eating in the food plot like hoover on steroids. Plus I need the meat.

So, do you think the yearling would hang with the others until time for it to go on it's on?


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Re: Shooting Does [Re: SGT. C] #6633642
10/05/19 10:02 PM
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I'd wait for a dry one but I don't need the meat if you do then do what's legal go for it.


Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!

Jerry Herbst
Re: Shooting Does [Re: SGT. C] #6633653
10/05/19 10:09 PM
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Her fawn will be JUST fine wink


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Re: Shooting Does [Re: SGT. C] #6633654
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Yes , it will stay with the others, go ahead and pop her.
Won’t hurt a thing , the yearling is eating, it will be fine.

Re: Shooting Does [Re: SGT. C] #6633661
10/05/19 10:13 PM
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It will be fine if you harvest her, but I’ve got a soft spot and always try and shoot a dry doe.


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Re: Shooting Does [Re: SGT. C] #6633662
10/05/19 10:14 PM
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Take the yearling or two

Better eating

I did this for a few years on my friends farm
Early October to get my meat
Never hurt the deer population around the farm


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Thought I was a good bowhunter until I targeted mature bucks....
Re: Shooting Does [Re: SGT. C] #6633680
10/05/19 10:29 PM
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It depends on how many does you have in the doe family group, If there are a surplus in the group , I might or might not take one. I would never take the old grandma doe, if you do the pattern that the family follow ,will change. Better to let her die a natural death. Also if you keep a good population of does, there will always be bucks around, checking them out. Personally I have not taken a doe , in at least 20 years, for that reason. My choice is a spike buck or a fawn, I am more a meat hunter, but have shot my share of respectable bucks as well. old243

Re: Shooting Does [Re: SGT. C] #6633684
10/05/19 10:34 PM
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I always try to shoot dry does. Even if the dawn is eating vegetation it’s chances of survival go down if she dies, she still protects it from predators and teaches it survival techniques


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Re: Shooting Does [Re: SGT. C] #6633686
10/05/19 10:36 PM
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Go for it!


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Re: Shooting Does [Re: SGT. C] #6633689
10/05/19 10:39 PM
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I faced this dilemma once. I solved it by shooting both. grin
(It was legal to do so and both were eaten)

Re: Shooting Does [Re: SGT. C] #6633690
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Won't hurt a thing. I just shot one that had still had a full bag but the fawns are plenty d enough now to make it just fine. Years ago growing up we were always told not to shoot does but after years of seeing what happens when you have overpopulation or buck to doe ratio way out of whack I realized that I need to take out more does than bucks every year. Also a good time to take a kid and let them pop one

Re: Shooting Does [Re: SGT. C] #6633698
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If the fawn has lost it's spots it doesn't need momma any more.


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Re: Shooting Does [Re: SGT. C] #6633699
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As others have said, the yearling will be just fine without mama.

Re: Shooting Does [Re: SGT. C] #6633705
10/05/19 10:51 PM
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My thinking is not the fawn it's the chance that doe will fawn again where the dry doe might be done fawning, this time of the year does are kicking the ones away that try to nurse.

A dry doe eats as much as another doe that will produce a fawn next year so the dry doe to me so more expendable for all concerned.

Last edited by Law Dog; 10/05/19 11:25 PM.

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Re: Shooting Does [Re: Law Dog] #6633721
10/05/19 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Law Dog
My thinking is not the fawn it's the chance that doe will fawn again where the dry doe might be done fawning, this time of the year does are kicking the ones way that try to nurse.

A dry doe eats as much as another doe that will produce a fawn next year so the dry doe to me so more expendable for all concerned.


Yes! Just like raising cattle.

Heard of a old cow man that culled every cow that didn’t have a calf at gathering.

What if the calf was struck by lightning? “She should have moved him”

What if a lion got it? She should have protected him”

What if it got sick and died? “Bad genetics and immune systems”


Everything the left touches it destroys
Re: Shooting Does [Re: SGT. C] #6633733
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Does actually have twins until well into their teens. The old dry doe is a myth. On average almost all white tail does die well before they are unable to have fawns. They die more from natural causes and predation than from hunters.


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Re: Shooting Does [Re: turkn8rtrapper] #6633767
10/06/19 02:56 AM
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"Does actually have twins until well into their teens. The old dry doe is a myth. On average almost all white tail does die well before they are unable to have fawns. They die more from natural causes and predation than from hunters."

I MUST ADMIT WHAT turkn8rtrapper SAID IS WHAT I HAVE SEEN IN THE WOODS OVER THE PAST 60 YEARS THE VAST MAJORITY OF WHITETAILS HERE HAVE 2 FAWNS BORN AND THE BIGGEST PERCENTAGE OF THOSE FAWNS ARE KILLED BY PREDATORS BEFORE THEY ARE 5 MONTHS OLD. COYOTES ARE THE PRIMARY WHITETAIL PREDATOR AND KILL THE MOST DEER BECAUSE OF THEIR NUMBERS BUT ONE COUGAR WILL KILL AN AVERAGE OF 50 DEER A YEAR.
THAT IS THE REASON I TRAP AND HUNT WITH HOUNDS. IT IS TO TRY TO BALANCE RETURN THE PREDATOR - PREY RATIO! IF WE AS HUMANS WANT TO HUNT DEER WE NEED TO REMOVE ENOUGH PREDATORS SO THE PREY BASE IS NOT DECREASED.
IT IS CALLED TAKING CARE OF THE HERD AND THAT IS WHAT A RANCHER DOES, WELL THE ONES THAT STAY IN BUSINESS DO ANYWAY. IT WOULD BE NICE IF SOME OF THE WESTERN BIG GAME MANAGERS WOULD RECOGNIZE THAT AND ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, ESPECIALLY, WITH OUR MULE DEER . HERDS.


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Re: Shooting Does [Re: SGT. C] #6633794
10/06/19 06:30 AM
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^^yeah don’t understand the stigma with not shooting does. I took a doe 3 years ago, last day of the PA rifle season, and her fawn had a white cow lick between her front shoulder blades. That doe I’ve called white spot has had twins the last two years and her fawns this year dwarf most of the other fawns I’ve seen, and that puts her at 3.5 yrs old. I won’t shoot her, I’d like to see how long she makes it. A lot of my neighbors won’t shoot a doe that has YOY, and I’ve asked, so when you shoot a doe that doesn’t have a fawn or fawns with, how do you know that the fawn just isn’t with her? Good thread.

Re: Shooting Does [Re: SGT. C] #6633797
10/06/19 06:32 AM
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I heard some trapper from Alabama say that coons like to eat small fawns.


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Re: Shooting Does [Re: SGT. C] #6633802
10/06/19 06:51 AM
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Fawns can be weened at 8 weeks. The fawn will be fine. Take your does early.


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