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Florida Abusing Red Flag Law #6633553
10/05/19 08:30 PM
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Well, that didn't take very long but then again, anyone with a braincell knew this was going to happen.



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Re: Florida Abusing Red Flag Law [Re: Finster] #6633829
10/06/19 08:03 AM
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can't see abuse of that shocking anyone


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Re: Florida Abusing Red Flag Law [Re: Finster] #6633835
10/06/19 08:07 AM
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Yup that was bound to happen


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Re: Florida Abusing Red Flag Law [Re: Finster] #6633917
10/06/19 10:06 AM
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Not sure I believe a wanta be news reporter and that the NRA is not on that or someone taking it to the supreme court but I guess the guy is making a living reporting this stuff.

Re: Florida Abusing Red Flag Law [Re: Finster] #6633933
10/06/19 10:31 AM
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They (NRA)filed a lawsuit the same day the bill passed, claiming the bill violates the second amendment and wants it struck down.

Since the NRA didn't specify the red flag part of the bill as the part that violates the second, fake news reports they are for that part.

Re: Florida Abusing Red Flag Law [Re: Finster] #6633934
10/06/19 10:32 AM
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They asked for a tool then they use it like a hammer that's why you say no from the start!


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Re: Florida Abusing Red Flag Law [Re: danvee] #6633940
10/06/19 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by danvee
Not sure I believe a wanta be news reporter and that the NRA is not on that or someone taking it to the supreme court but I guess the guy is making a living reporting this stuff.


Check it out yourself, read the Red Flag Law and see if you feel it is constitutional, also read the 2nd amendment.


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Re: Florida Abusing Red Flag Law [Re: Finster] #6633966
10/06/19 11:17 AM
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This goes beyond the second amendment and cuts right to the heart of due process. You are supposed to have a presumption of innocence, red flag laws assume you are guilty and remove a right then force you to prove you are not guilty to re aquire that right.

Red flag laws give additional power to judges and then we are supposed to let judges decide if they will relinquish that power when red flag laws are challenged.

Re: Florida Abusing Red Flag Law [Re: Finster] #6633972
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Additionally, how much resistance have we heard about from law enforcement when it comes to enforcing these orders? 5 a day in Florida alone and I have yet to hear of a cop quitting or refusing to carry out these orders which defy the Constitution. Anyone banking on law enforcement or the military to uphold their oath to the Constitution in order to save our rights I feel is going to be disappointed.


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Re: Florida Abusing Red Flag Law [Re: Donnersurvivor] #6633984
10/06/19 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
This goes beyond the second amendment and cuts right to the heart of due process. You are supposed to have a presumption of innocence, red flag laws assume you are guilty and remove a right then force you to prove you are not guilty to re aquire that right.

Red flag laws give additional power to judges and then we are supposed to let judges decide if they will relinquish that power when red flag laws are challenged.



Exactly, violation of the fourth amendment and they use whatever is said (first amendment) or who you associate with (also first amendment) to justify stripping your second amendment. Not to mention the total inequality violation of the fourteenth.

Just run the Constitution through the shredder and be done with it.


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Re: Florida Abusing Red Flag Law [Re: Finster] #6634095
10/06/19 03:28 PM
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A person would think the AntiChristianLawyersUnion would jump on that, but apparently it serves their purpose.

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Re: Florida Abusing Red Flag Law [Re: Donnersurvivor] #6634117
10/06/19 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
This goes beyond the second amendment and cuts right to the heart of due process. You are supposed to have a presumption of innocence, red flag laws assume you are guilty and remove a right then force you to prove you are not guilty to re aquire that right.

Red flag laws give additional power to judges and then we are supposed to let judges decide if they will relinquish that power when red flag laws are challenged.



I know you like to run your mouth about what you don't know a lot about often, but think back when they tried that in Washington State and other States out West and what happened and the Sheriff that would deputize everyone in the County to stand against the BLM but nice try! Just because your not hearing it does not mean it's not going on.


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Re: Florida Abusing Red Flag Law [Re: Law Dog] #6634219
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Originally Posted by Law Dog


I know you like to run your mouth about what you don't know a lot about often, but think back when they tried that in Washington State and other States out West and what happened and the Sheriff that would deputize everyone in the County to stand against the BLM but nice try! Just because your not hearing it does not mean it's not going on.


Florida alone is serving 5 a day. I have not found one story of law enforcement refusing to serve a red flag gun confiscation though there are some rural sheriffs who said they would refuse to serve them. Police in Maryland shot and killed a guy who refused to turn in his guns during a confiscation. I hardly think pointing this out is "running your mouth". The reality of the situation is that very few will bite the hand the feeds them.

Re: Florida Abusing Red Flag Law [Re: Finster] #6634228
10/06/19 07:23 PM
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Re: Florida Abusing Red Flag Law [Re: Finster] #6634313
10/06/19 08:55 PM
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For anyone born after 1989, this is the red flag these laws will lead to.

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