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Iraq Veterans...Kurds #6635530
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Don't trust politicians or news media much anymore so I'm going to ask the folks, Iraq vets, who may have had dealings with them. Are the Kurds truly friends to the U.S. and should they be defended by Americans militarily? Just wondering.


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Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds [Re: J Staton] #6635548
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NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds [Re: turkn8rtrapper] #6635552
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Originally Posted by turkn8rtrapper
NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm assuming you are an Iraq veteran since you answered. Did you work with them in Iraq?


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Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds [Re: J Staton] #6635603
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Not an Iraq vet so I may not qualify to reply. I will say the history I have read shows that the Kurds helped murder Christians wholesale during the Armenian genocide.

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I know so little about the Kurds. Are they of Islamic faith?
Donnersurvivor do you remember the reason for the murder of Christians? Did it have to do with their faith are was it more for conquest?
Why I'm asking Iraq vets is I figure some have come into contact with the Kurds and would have first hand knowledge.


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Originally Posted by J Staton
I know so little about the Kurds. Are they of Islamic faith?
Donnersurvivor do you remember the reason for the murder of Christians? Did it have to do with their faith are was it more for conquest?
Why I'm asking Iraq vets is I figure some have come into contact with the Kurds and would have first hand knowledge.


I believe they were promised their farms or paid to kill them by the Turks. Most Kurds are Muslims.

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I am an Iraq vet. All of 05 Infantry. Humvee gunner. Got to deal with them all the time. I have absolutely no use for them. They are the Cambodians and Laosians of Iraq.


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Let us not forget Usama Bin Laden was our allie in Afghanistan during the Russian invasion as well. He was Mujahideen back then.

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Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Originally Posted by J Staton
I know so little about the Kurds. Are they of Islamic faith?
Donnersurvivor do you remember the reason for the murder of Christians? Did it have to do with their faith are was it more for conquest?
Why I'm asking Iraq vets is I figure some have come into contact with the Kurds and would have first hand knowledge.


I believe they were promised their farms or paid to kill them by the Turks. Most Kurds are Muslims.





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No one in that region of the world is truly a friend to the US. Their leaders might play footsie with the US for their own gain. Not all of the people are bad guys, lots of them want to just be left alone. But there is plenty that would cut your throat in a second just because. I dont like our troops being over there in any of those countries but im afraid if we totally pull out of the region one group or another will gain enough power to be a serious problem for anyone that isnt in that group. I do know that alot of the ex military guys that went back to fight as mercenaries went to go fight with the kurds. I was in baghdad for 2 tours and kuwait for the 3rd. I know baghdad pretty well but thats about it. When i was there they shia and sunnis were blowing each other up almost as much as they were trying to blow us up. All over flavors of religion.

If i was supreme overlord i would make that whole region a sheet of glass.


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So it basically seems, from the comments of the veterans, that the Kurds are more "politically favorable" to certain parties but are really just another face of the enemy. Of course not all Kurds.


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Originally Posted by J Staton
So it basically seems, from the comments of the veterans, that the Kurds are more "politically favorable" to certain parties but are really just another face of the enemy. Of course not all Kurds.


It appears only two vetearns have commented so far. That's not enough for a real representative sample.

Keith

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This veteran has never met a kurd. All i know is hearsay. I have met a couple thousand sunnis and shias. Searched easily over a thousand houses. Can count on one hand how many rolls of toilet paper i have seen in an iraqi house.

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Originally Posted by KeithC
Originally Posted by J Staton
So it basically seems, from the comments of the veterans, that the Kurds are more "politically favorable" to certain parties but are really just another face of the enemy. Of course not all Kurds.


It appears only two vetearns have commented so far. That's not enough for a real representative sample.

Keith

If only two veterans comment, and one who hasn't met a Kurd, it appears that it will be the best t-man sample I'll get. Lol.
Hopefully there will be more reply's Keith.


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I can say that in 2003 after the fall of Saddam's regime, the Kurds in the north were a US military partner. I partook in the invasion with the 101st ABN and got to travel that God forsaken land from the very south all the way to the Syrian border with then Major General David Patraeus as the division commander. Like any organization/sect you can only trust them so much and there is always going to be those that hate you. However, from 03-04' our military relationship with the Kurds was favorable as we knew they were willing to fight the Iraqi army with us. Not like we really needed them much, but if Saddam would have had chemical weapons or weapons of mass destruction things could have been far worse and casualties could have mounted quick. So many of those that followed in the footsteps of the invasion forgot that we were wearing chemical suits when the order to cross the border came down and we didn't know what to expect. In hindsight any agreement to fight in unison with the Kurds was irrelevant, but they were still willing to put their lives on the line as well and we never disarmed them. I can remember them driving around in their Toyota's packed full of men and RPG's/AK-47's.

No one in that region of the world will ever trust us, not only for this as its pretty insignificant given that population density, but because of the possibility of being just randomly abandoned no matter who you are.

Also as history has taught us, we can fight with anyone up until it's time to fight each other. Look at our alliance with Russia. To think we could always stay at peace with the Kurds would defy history.

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Very volatile region in which we cannot clearly win any war unless we want to occupy/govern the whole region. No point loosing any more of our guys there. Keep any real threats to the USA in check with airstrikes....which is what we should have done with bin laden in afgan, dropped a tactical nuke on him and his band of hatred. We will probably have to fight these folks sooner or later but not with two hands tied behind our back. In 20 years they will be running the eu.


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Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds [Re: Marty] #6635727
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Originally Posted by Marty
Very volatile region in which we cannot clearly win any war unless we want to occupy/govern the whole region. No point loosing any more of our guys there. Keep any real threats to the USA in check with airstrikes....which is what we should have done with bin laden in afgan, dropped a tactical nuke on him and his band of hatred. We will probably have to fight these folks sooner or later but not with two hands tied behind our back. In 20 years they will be running the eu.

I can agree with that.


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Trumpy Bear is just performing his old tricks again. Like a schoolboy who says "look, your shoe is untied". He wants to distract attention from the real trouble he is in regarding impeachment proceedings at the expense of a truly explosive setting which could free thousands of IS fighters who are in detention camps.

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What the ..........another liberal on T man


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Bomb the detention centers....set em very free, in pieces.


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