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Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds [Re: J Staton] #6635750
10/08/19 09:42 PM
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What the ..........another liberal on T man

Heck yeah. Hey AntiGov you need to find a place to live where there is no government. Try Somalia. "Government for the people and by the people". You might have heard of that before.

Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds [Re: J Staton] #6635755
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Hey Rats! where did you serve?


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Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds [Re: The Possum Man] #6635761
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I served three years active duty US Army; cold war in WEST Germany (before unification) Cold war period. Ready to fight at any time. Combat mobile unit. Expert marksman. Radar repairman for a HAWK missile air defense battery. Left the service as E5 sergeant. How about your service The Possum Man?

Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds [Re: J Staton] #6635769
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9 and a half years active duty US army infantry.

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Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds [Re: J Staton] #6635778
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Actually encountered 2 different sects of Kurds. The ones in the north (more militant) and the nomads. The nomads never seemed to bother anyone and mostly kept to themselves. By 05 the ones in the north were very deceitful and were definitely not our friends. I also kicked in more doors than I care to remember or share. Also encountered MANY IED's. Some of which in Kurdish territory and almost always included ambush from cowards in that region. I can honestly say I have no ill will toward any of them. We did invade and occupy their homeland. I however don't trust the vast majority of any of them. As far as the religion I have no problem with it or those that practice it. just like any form of worship. Only the radicals are a problem with me and I question them being religious anyway.


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Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds [Re: J Staton] #6635779
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Pretty sure they helped us in Iraq during Desert Storm and we helped them, heck they were naming their kids after Bush and Cheney back then. If they were not working with us why would we need to pull out our 150 troops we have working with them.

I believe they were the ones that smoked that Russia jet a few years back also.


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Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds [Re: Rats!] #6635830
10/09/19 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Rats!
I served three years active duty US Army; cold war in WEST Germany (before unification) Cold war period. Ready to fight at any time. Combat mobile unit. Expert marksman. Radar repairman for a HAWK missile air defense battery. Left the service as E5 sergeant. How about your service The Possum Man?



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Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds [Re: J Staton] #6635832
10/09/19 05:39 AM
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still served for you and i.opposing viewpoints should be pondered,not automatically dismissed.

thanx to all that have served to give me this blessed life i have.


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Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds [Re: J Staton] #6635844
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Rats I would appreciate if you didn't attempt to make this political in an attempt to get this thread axed. This has nothing to do with false accusations to try and remove a duly elected President.
My whole thought was to try to determine if the Kurds are enough of an ally to militarily defend if attacked by Turkey, ISIS, etc. My personnel opinion is that the U.S. military's job is to protect and defend the U.S. Not so much to be the world's police force. Although I do believe we should, if a country is a true ally, help defend it against unprovoked aggression.

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Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds [Re: J Staton] #6635852
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I expect a man to keep his word. If the Kurds were told the U. S. has their back then our country should keep its word


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Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds [Re: Donnersurvivor] #6635868
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Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Not an Iraq vet so I may not qualify to reply. I will say the history I have read shows that the Kurds helped murder Christians wholesale during the Armenian genocide.

Interesting.

Where I grew up had a significant Armenian population. It was the Turks that carried out the wholesale slaughter of Armenians (Christians) but not a single one of the old folks mentioned anything about Kurds.

Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds [Re: Marty] #6635874
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Originally Posted by Marty
.... In 20 years they will be running the eu.


In less years than that - less than a handful are running the US........and allowed to represent US God fearing citizens. We need to conduct a self examination.

Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds [Re: AntiGov] #6635996
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Originally Posted by AntiGov
What the ..........another liberal on T man


Just from that child like response, I know he'll never add anything of value to a discussion.


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Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds [Re: J Staton] #6636022
10/09/19 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by J Staton

My whole thought was to try to determine if the Kurds are enough of an ally to militarily defend if attacked....

I do believe we should, if a country is a true ally, help defend it against unprovoked aggression.


I think that is a big part of the problem with the Kurds.

They are an unpopular ethnic minority in Turkey, Iraq, Syria, and Iran.

They have no established Homeland or Country

I don't think the Kurdish populations in any of these Countries

have the support of their governments currently in power.

Much Like the Montagnards in the Vietnamese and Laos highlands,

the Kurds are an unpopular ethnic group that everybody loves to hate.

Like the United States used the Montagnards in Vietnam,

So too have they used the Kurds as proxy fighters

to fight limited engagements against Saddam, Assad, and ISIS.

George Bush I essentially abandoned the Kurds at the end the Gulf War

after encouraging them to revolt against Saddam.

Now President Trump, or whomever is advising him, is doing the same thing.

This is the 1st instance where I disagree with President Trump on Foreign Policy.

The Kurds have always fought with their backs to the wall to the death.

We'll see how it shakes out, but President Trump is way wrong on this one.

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Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds [Re: Pike River] #6636024
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Originally Posted by Pike River
Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Not an Iraq vet so I may not qualify to reply. I will say the history I have read shows that the Kurds helped murder Christians wholesale during the Armenian genocide.

Interesting.

Where I grew up had a significant Armenian population. It was the Turks that carried out the wholesale slaughter of Armenians (Christians) but not a single one of the old folks mentioned anything about Kurds.


I throw the B.S. Flag on Donnersurvivor's assertions that the Kurds are complicit in Genocide.

While some Kurdish sects may have been ordered by Turks to commit atrocities,

It was Ottoman Turks running the show

In all the History of World War 1 that I have studied, Turkey's Ottoman Empire

was responsible for the Genocide of up to 1.5 MILLION Armenians.

No mention of a loosely scattered ethnic Kurdish minority inhabiting

the Mountainous regions of Turkey, Iraq, and Iran

being responsible for any wholesale Turkish Genocide.

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Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds [Re: The Possum Man] #6636044
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Originally Posted by The Possum Man
Originally Posted by Marty
Very volatile region in which we cannot clearly win any war unless we want to occupy/govern the whole region. No point loosing any more of our guys there. Keep any real threats to the USA in check with airstrikes....which is what we should have done with bin laden in afgan, dropped a tactical nuke on him and his band of hatred. We will probably have to fight these folks sooner or later but not with two hands tied behind our back. In 20 years they will be running the eu.

I can agree with that.


I can agree with that also. In about 40 years, unless the US makes some major changes, they'll be running America too. That is their goal if you listen to what some CAIR leaders have said.

I know some teachers in my area who refuse to teach in schools with high Muslim populations. They say the kids are extremely rude. On female teacher told me a Muslim girl was standing and walking around the room during class. She refused to take her seat when told to. She said, "This is America and I can do whatever I want."


If you think it's OK for Iran to have nukes, but not OK for law abiding Americans to have guns, you might be an idiot.
Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds [Re: Trapper7] #6636052
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We left thousands of Hmong to fend for themselves against their enemies, so if we left the Kurds it is not like it is a new policy for the US. Not saying I support that, just saying we have history of walking away from people who supported us and helped us until we felt there was no more need for the fight or them.

Bryce

Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds [Re: J Staton] #6636053
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I doubt it's a complete abandonment. Trump prolly has something up his sleeve.

The news media won't give us ALL the info


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Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds [Re: J Staton] #6636069
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Trump says if the Turks touch the Kurds he will destroy their economy. We will see if that can hold back their hatred, but I doubt it.

Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds [Re: yukonjeff] #6636078
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Originally Posted by yukonjeff
Trump says if the Turks touch the Kurds he will destroy their economy. We will see if that can hold back their hatred, but I doubt it.



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