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Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds [Re: walleyed] #6637511
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Originally Posted by walleyed
Originally Posted by KeithC
Armenia is on the West side of Turkey. The Kurds live almost exclusively on the East side of Turkey. I find it very unlikely that the Kurds left their area of Turkey and went through areas of Turkey that are hostile to them, in anything approaching significant numbers to hurt Armenians, who they have no issue with. It would be dangerous for the Kurds and make absolutely no sense.

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Armenians were by in large of Russian origin and were

1st swept up and conquered in the 15th century by muslims.

When the Turks started evicting them from their homes

in Western Turkey, they were marched west into

the Syrian desert before the Kurds got involved.

If anything, It's more likely

the Kurds were victims of circumstance

and coerced into persecuting the Armenians.

w

The Armenians are from eastern Turkey, are not Russian (Slavs) but are Caucasians (Kavkas)

Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds [Re: J Staton] #6637544
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After listening to the news conference about this today, there is alot of hype being peddled by the media/war hawks in D.C. as to what actually is going on over there.

Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds [Re: J Staton] #6637564
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I actually think Trump is on the right track, rather than send troops and money to the oppressed, put the squeeze financially on the oppressor.

Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds [Re: J Staton] #6637636
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Seen where some Special Ops guys are not happy, they said they fought and bleed with those guy and said they are ashamed of the actions being taken now.


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Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds [Re: Law Dog] #6637928
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I hear today Erdogan's forces shelled U.S. Special Forces with a heavy artillery barrage,

after which they were quickly evacuated from the area.

Sounds like Trump's decision to show weakness has had unforseen consequences

as abandoning the KURDS,(If he really has), has emboldened Erdogan to push the envelope.

Turkey needs to have it's military aid chopped, our air bases shuttered, and then kicked out of NATO.

Apply some crippling financial sanctions to the Turkish economy, and make them see the error of their ways.

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Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds [Re: J Staton] #6637947
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The middle east is a bigger mess than the western world can comprehend. These people want peace but they also want revenge on one another. They always want war on one side or the other. We just created a power vacuum for the Russians. But, we forget. We were once Allies with Russia. We fought a common enemy together. Then we built up for a war against each other. Why? Because we both thought we betrayed one another. Now the Kurds will think we betrayed them. Hopefully we dont radicalize those in the US and subject ourselves to radical Kurdish extremist terrorism.

Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds [Re: walleyed] #6638028
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Originally Posted by walleyed
I hear today Erdogan's forces shelled U.S. Special Forces with a heavy artillery barrage,

after which they were quickly evacuated from the area.

Sounds like Trump's decision to show weakness has had unforseen consequences

as abandoning the KURDS,(If he really has), has emboldened Erdogan to push the envelope.

Turkey needs to have it's military aid chopped, our air bases shuttered, and then kicked out of NATO.

Apply some crippling financial sanctions to the Turkish economy, and make them see the error of their ways.

w


We kinda want an airbase there....are alliance to Turkey is more to keep Russia in check. It will be interesting to see how this turns out in the next 6 years.

Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds [Re: Pike River] #6638046
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Originally Posted by Pike River
Originally Posted by walleyed
I hear today Erdogan's forces shelled U.S. Special Forces with a heavy artillery barrage,

after which they were quickly evacuated from the area.

Sounds like Trump's decision to show weakness has had unforseen consequences

as abandoning the KURDS,(If he really has), has emboldened Erdogan to push the envelope.

Turkey needs to have it's military aid chopped, our air bases shuttered, and then kicked out of NATO.

Apply some crippling financial sanctions to the Turkish economy, and make them see the error of their ways.

w


We kinda want an airbase there....are alliance to Turkey is more to keep Russia in check. It will be interesting to see how this turns out in the next 6 years.


Erdogan wanted F-35 or F-22 fighter/bombers from the U.S. and then turned around

and ordered advanced radar defense systems from Russia.

Erdogan has been slowly climbing in bed with Putin over the last few years, and playing both sides.

I understand that we need Incirlik airbase and others for strategic reasons,

But If Turkey is supposed to be NATO's check of Russian Hegemony,

then NATO needs to apply more pressure to Ergodan

to start acting more like an trusted ally.

w



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Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds [Re: J Staton] #6638091
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Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds [Re: Osky] #6638211
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Originally Posted by Osky
You can put shiney new clothes on a caveman, but he will still be a caveman.

Osky



Could apply to anyone involved in this issue? whistle


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Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds [Re: walleyed] #6638216
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Originally Posted by walleyed
You are Talking as if The Turks had nothing to do with the Armenian Genocide and that It was planned, and executed solely by the Kurdish minority while the Turks smoked hashish and watched.

That's B.S.

If you look at the historical record as a whole, The Turkish Army was by far, more involved in the affair than
The Kurdish Minority. That's like saying that Bulgarians were responsible for the Holocaust because some Bulgarian Policemen helped the Nazi's round up some Gypsies and Jews.
While I've read of some instances that Kurds were involved in persecuting Armenians, saying the Kurds were
the driving force behind the Armenian genocide is a load of Bull Excrement.

w


Well said.


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Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds [Re: J Staton] #6638218
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What happened to the veterans?


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Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds [Re: Osky] #6638224
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Originally Posted by Osky
You can put shiney new clothes on a caveman, but he will still be a caveman.

Osky



True Dat.

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Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds [Re: J Staton] #6638230
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I don't comment on many of these brouhaha's but my son did 4 tours in Afganistan as an Army Ranger. Part of the Army's preparation of Special Ops guys is a thorough education on culture and history of the regions they're deployed in. The entire Middle East/Central Asia region has been a tinderbox for centuries and will continue to be long after we're gone. My son attended a school in Florida to learn the Pashto language (the language of the Taliban). The teachers were Afgan friendlies working with the dept of defense hoping to earn American citizenship. These Afgans "teachers" were noticeably difficult towards my son during most of the training. He came to learn from some of them that because of his appearance and last name they assumed he was of Russian heritage. My point is that the Russians are certainly NOT loved in the Middle East. Yes they may garner some additional influence, but we don't need their oil anymore so let them have the middle east. Our only true ally is Israel and even Saudi Arabia will befriend Israel if it serves their political or defensive desires. Let Russia have it. Turkey was once considered a dependable ally. A little religion and politics makes for a mess.

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Too bad we don't support our friends and allies like we used to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF6CPwOeS38

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Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds [Re: walleyed] #6638566
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Originally Posted by walleyed
Too bad we don't support our friends and allies like we used to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF6CPwOeS38

w


The Kurds are Socialist/communist and separatist, the U.S has listed several Kurdish groups as terrorist. They were useful in the fight against ISIS when we had a common enemy but I fail to see why we should help them usher in their commie separatist state.

Again, I have no first hand knowledge but everything I have said is easily researched, look into it yourself and come to your own conclusions as to why we would not want to continue helping them.

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Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds [Re: Donnersurvivor] #6638670
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Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Originally Posted by walleyed
Too bad we don't support our friends and allies like we used to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF6CPwOeS38

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The Kurds are Socialist/communist and separatist, the U.S has listed several Kurdish groups as terrorist.


Pretty sure the Kurdish PKK and YPG were listed by the U.S. as a terrorist organization because of

enormous political pressure brought by Turkey as a NATO ally.

They are fighting for a Kurdish homeland for their own people (TRIBE).

That doesn't automatically qualify them as terrorists.

In another situation, they might be considered Partisans or Revolutionists fighting to establish their own country.

Kind of like during the American Revolution.

Erdogan has no intention of giving the KURDs a fair shake in their own country, and as an unpopular minority

They will continue to be an oppressed people.

It's tribalism at It's finest,but that doesn't mean it should be condoned by a civilized world.

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Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds [Re: The Possum Man] #6638757
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Originally Posted by The Possum Man
No one in that region of the world is truly a friend to the US. Their leaders might play footsie with the US for their own gain. Not all of the people are bad guys, lots of them want to just be left alone. But there is plenty that would cut your throat in a second just because. I dont like our troops being over there in any of those countries but im afraid if we totally pull out of the region one group or another will gain enough power to be a serious problem for anyone that isnt in that group. I do know that alot of the ex military guys that went back to fight as mercenaries went to go fight with the kurds. I was in baghdad for 2 tours and kuwait for the 3rd. I know baghdad pretty well but thats about it. When i was there they shia and sunnis were blowing each other up almost as much as they were trying to blow us up. All over flavors of religion.

If i was supreme overlord i would make that whole region a sheet of glass.


A lot of Interpretors we had in 05 were Kurds. The ones I dealt with were very pleasant. I recall one was afraid if any of the local Baghdad population would find out he was Kurdish. Crazy times....

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Weren’t the Russians our allies in WW II??

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Weren’t the Russians our allies in WW II??

Enemy of my enemy and all that. It ended fairly abruptly when they started trying to decide who got control of berlin. Hence the berlin wall and the start of the cold war.


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