Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds
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Armenia is on the West side of Turkey. The Kurds live almost exclusively on the East side of Turkey. I find it very unlikely that the Kurds left their area of Turkey and went through areas of Turkey that are hostile to them, in anything approaching significant numbers to hurt Armenians, who they have no issue with. It would be dangerous for the Kurds and make absolutely no sense.
Keith Armenians were by in large of Russian origin and were 1st swept up and conquered in the 15th century by muslims. When the Turks started evicting them from their homes in Western Turkey, they were marched west into the Syrian desert before the Kurds got involved. If anything, It's more likely the Kurds were victims of circumstance and coerced into persecuting the Armenians. w The Armenians are from eastern Turkey, are not Russian (Slavs) but are Caucasians (Kavkas)
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Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds
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Seen where some Special Ops guys are not happy, they said they fought and bleed with those guy and said they are ashamed of the actions being taken now.
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Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds
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I hear today Erdogan's forces shelled U.S. Special Forces with a heavy artillery barrage,
after which they were quickly evacuated from the area.
Sounds like Trump's decision to show weakness has had unforseen consequences
as abandoning the KURDS,(If he really has), has emboldened Erdogan to push the envelope.
Turkey needs to have it's military aid chopped, our air bases shuttered, and then kicked out of NATO.
Apply some crippling financial sanctions to the Turkish economy, and make them see the error of their ways.
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Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds
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I hear today Erdogan's forces shelled U.S. Special Forces with a heavy artillery barrage,
after which they were quickly evacuated from the area.
Sounds like Trump's decision to show weakness has had unforseen consequences
as abandoning the KURDS,(If he really has), has emboldened Erdogan to push the envelope.
Turkey needs to have it's military aid chopped, our air bases shuttered, and then kicked out of NATO.
Apply some crippling financial sanctions to the Turkish economy, and make them see the error of their ways.
w We kinda want an airbase there....are alliance to Turkey is more to keep Russia in check. It will be interesting to see how this turns out in the next 6 years.
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Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds
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I hear today Erdogan's forces shelled U.S. Special Forces with a heavy artillery barrage,
after which they were quickly evacuated from the area.
Sounds like Trump's decision to show weakness has had unforseen consequences
as abandoning the KURDS,(If he really has), has emboldened Erdogan to push the envelope.
Turkey needs to have it's military aid chopped, our air bases shuttered, and then kicked out of NATO.
Apply some crippling financial sanctions to the Turkish economy, and make them see the error of their ways.
w We kinda want an airbase there....are alliance to Turkey is more to keep Russia in check. It will be interesting to see how this turns out in the next 6 years. Erdogan wanted F-35 or F-22 fighter/bombers from the U.S. and then turned around and ordered advanced radar defense systems from Russia. Erdogan has been slowly climbing in bed with Putin over the last few years, and playing both sides. I understand that we need Incirlik airbase and others for strategic reasons, But If Turkey is supposed to be NATO's check of Russian Hegemony, then NATO needs to apply more pressure to Ergodan to start acting more like an trusted ally. w
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Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds
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Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds
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You can put shiney new clothes on a caveman, but he will still be a caveman.
Osky Could apply to anyone involved in this issue?
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Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds
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You are Talking as if The Turks had nothing to do with the Armenian Genocide and that It was planned, and executed solely by the Kurdish minority while the Turks smoked hashish and watched.
That's B.S.
If you look at the historical record as a whole, The Turkish Army was by far, more involved in the affair than The Kurdish Minority. That's like saying that Bulgarians were responsible for the Holocaust because some Bulgarian Policemen helped the Nazi's round up some Gypsies and Jews. While I've read of some instances that Kurds were involved in persecuting Armenians, saying the Kurds were the driving force behind the Armenian genocide is a load of Bull Excrement.
w Well said.
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Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds
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What happened to the veterans?
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Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds
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Osky True Dat. w
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Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds
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The Kurds are Socialist/communist and separatist, the U.S has listed several Kurdish groups as terrorist. They were useful in the fight against ISIS when we had a common enemy but I fail to see why we should help them usher in their commie separatist state. Again, I have no first hand knowledge but everything I have said is easily researched, look into it yourself and come to your own conclusions as to why we would not want to continue helping them.
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Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds
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The Kurds are Socialist/communist and separatist, the U.S has listed several Kurdish groups as terrorist. Pretty sure the Kurdish PKK and YPG were listed by the U.S. as a terrorist organization because of enormous political pressure brought by Turkey as a NATO ally. They are fighting for a Kurdish homeland for their own people (TRIBE). That doesn't automatically qualify them as terrorists. In another situation, they might be considered Partisans or Revolutionists fighting to establish their own country. Kind of like during the American Revolution. Erdogan has no intention of giving the KURDs a fair shake in their own country, and as an unpopular minority They will continue to be an oppressed people. It's tribalism at It's finest,but that doesn't mean it should be condoned by a civilized world. w
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Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds
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No one in that region of the world is truly a friend to the US. Their leaders might play footsie with the US for their own gain. Not all of the people are bad guys, lots of them want to just be left alone. But there is plenty that would cut your throat in a second just because. I dont like our troops being over there in any of those countries but im afraid if we totally pull out of the region one group or another will gain enough power to be a serious problem for anyone that isnt in that group. I do know that alot of the ex military guys that went back to fight as mercenaries went to go fight with the kurds. I was in baghdad for 2 tours and kuwait for the 3rd. I know baghdad pretty well but thats about it. When i was there they shia and sunnis were blowing each other up almost as much as they were trying to blow us up. All over flavors of religion.
If i was supreme overlord i would make that whole region a sheet of glass. A lot of Interpretors we had in 05 were Kurds. The ones I dealt with were very pleasant. I recall one was afraid if any of the local Baghdad population would find out he was Kurdish. Crazy times....
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Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds
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Weren’t the Russians our allies in WW II?? Enemy of my enemy and all that. It ended fairly abruptly when they started trying to decide who got control of berlin. Hence the berlin wall and the start of the cold war.
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