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Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds [Re: J Staton] #6638789
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Tuff situation no matter how you look at it.
Both are concerned.soldered allies.

Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds [Re: JKS] #6638791
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Originally Posted by JKS
Weren’t the Russians our allies in WW II??

Yes and we basically helped them achieve everything Germany wanted to, a genocidal expansionist oligarchy who controlled half of Europe. It has become very obvious Communist/socialist regimes are destined for failure, I dont think the U.S should help form or promote them.

Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds [Re: J Staton] #6638792
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Kurds fought and died with us just like others we walked away from in the past! If they were the enemy why did the special ops guy work with them all of these years?


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Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds [Re: J Staton] #6638796
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So did the Turks Lawdog.

Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds [Re: hippie] #6638798
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What was the problem when our guys were there fighting ISIS then why not let them stay there and keep the peace! When were the turks on our side?

Originally Posted by hippie
So did the Turks Lawdog.


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Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds [Re: J Staton] #6638799
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Not listed here but they did at least once!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Turkey


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Originally Posted by Law Dog
Not listed here but they did at least once!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Turkey


Not sure how we're heading that differently, by I see the U.S. and Turkey on the Allied column alot.

Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds [Re: J Staton] #6638814
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Kurdish general to U.S.: Either protect us, or 'move aside so we can let in the Russians'

https://theweek.com/speedreads/871455/kurdish-general-either-protect-move-aside-let-russians

Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds [Re: J Staton] #6638815
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We are, once again, planting seeds that will sprout terrorists bent on paying us back....... We never learn.

Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds [Re: gryhkl] #6638824
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From my perspective the Iraq war we started may be the worst military and political decision we ever made as a nation. We further destabilized a very sensitive and fragile region of the world where hate and resentment is still the majority feeling by nations and people. We spent an awful lot of money to create a situation we don't have the patience, intelligence and fortitude to deal with as we probably should. Once we made this area scrambled eggs we have not put forth the discipline and force needed to paste it back to a more stable region then it is today. When you start picking and choosing clans and tribes as part of foreign policy we should not be surprised by the results we are getting and that has been the case for a decade and not just the last couple years.

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Spot on, bblwi!!! dick cheney should have his name dragged through the mud anytime problem are bought up over there. One of the worst Americans in history.

Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds [Re: gryhkl] #6638834
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Originally Posted by gryhkl
We are, once again, planting seeds that will sprout terrorists bent on paying us back....... We never learn.


We could secure our border for a fraction of the cost as worrying about someone's border 7000 miles away. wink

Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds [Re: gryhkl] #6638837
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Originally Posted by gryhkl
Spot on, bblwi!!! dick cheney should have his name dragged through the mud anytime problem are bought up over there. One of the worst Americans in history.


Not saying I disagree but why let Bush jr off the hook and just look at the VP? Ultimately it was President Bush who had the authority (maybe only in theory).

Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds [Re: J Staton] #6638869
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Fight with people for almost 30 years then walk away and let them get slaughtered wholesale, you will never sell me any angle I will agree with. It's not this guy or that guy it's about loyalty nothing more.


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Originally Posted by hippie
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We are, once again, planting seeds that will sprout terrorists bent on paying us back....... We never learn.


We could secure our border for a fraction of the cost as worrying about someone's border 7000 miles away. wink
Yes. There are sooooo many things that would have been better uses for the money we have pour down the drain of that cesspool.

And Donner, I don't give gw a free pass but, I believe cheney was pulling the strings and was upset that daddy-Bush didn't use the chance to stay over there and make him and heliburton friends even richer. HW was smart enough to know that going in without a workable exit strategy was a mistake.

Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds [Re: Law Dog] #6638943
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Originally Posted by Law Dog
Fight with people for almost 30 years then walk away and let them get slaughtered wholesale, you will never sell me any angle I will agree with. It's not this guy or that guy it's about loyalty nothing more.


Do we babysit forever?


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Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds [Re: J Staton] #6639136
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Some of you genius' who are saying that we should not get out, are the same ones who screamed when we went in.
If I had been King when 3,000 innocent Americans were slaughtered in 2001, they would be mining glass over there now.
Our men and women were sent over there to fight a "kind" war with their hands tied behind their backs.
If we are not willing to turn everything into rubble and not worry about collateral damage (women and, children included), then we should not step one foot over there. Period!
Given all of the different factions involved over there who are mortal enemies of each other, it is impossible to "win" anything, therefore we should not spend one minute over there.
We should get out now and stay out. If they attack us again, it will be time to fire up the glass factory.

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Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds [Re: J Staton] #6639191
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Leaving is not the issue but when, how and what the results of those moves that will come back to bite us is the problem. Could of been done better a lot of different ways is all.


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Syrian Kurds are now appealing to Assad and Russia for help

holding off Erdogan and the Genocide-bent Turks who are invading northern Syria.

Reports say a large number of ISIS dependents (women & children) plus close to 800

ISIS combatants have escaped from holding areas run by the KURDS.

Every thing is descending into chaos.

Perfect.

Glad U.S. forces are not caught in the crossfire but the pullout

could have been thought out a little better along with a big stick

to whack Erdogan if He started to act aggressively towards the Syrian/Iraqi KURDS.

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Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds [Re: J Staton] #6639353
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Well let me say that I was in NAM and we were fighting with our hands tried. I can't remember how many times I had to call in to the CP for permission to fire back!!!
What I needed was someone to help us win that WAR!!!! If it was the KURDS so be it. I don't think we should leave our allies. It just makes look more undependable.
I don't like the way we got into this fight, but we should stick it out.


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