Re: Question for carpentry guys
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I've always been lead to believe that you never mix two types of insulation. Condensation will form between the two resulting in less R value than you would have with using just one.
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Re: Question for carpentry guys
[Re: Winterprime]
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I am not sure if I missed it but what is your wall depth 2x4 or 2x6? If you truly wanted warm walls 6 is the way to go. If they are 2x4 your only going to get so much out Of them. Do what you can and put your efforts into the overhead insulation and your base perimeter insulation. You will lose most out your lid. Get that really well insulated and just as importantly really well vented so moisture is not a problem up there. Your base perimeter can let a ton of cold in if not addressed.
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Re: Question for carpentry guys
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You can if you can reach R21.
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Re: Question for carpentry guys
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Looking at the above posts... If you have 2x6 walls with a house wrap on the outside and 6" insulation Kraft face on the inside I'd leave it at that. Make sure you have enough room around your window and door jambs for insulation, do it right, and use good doors and glass. If the interior is a wood tounge and groove type product I'd put it right over the craft face. Done. I would not put poly any where near the place if I didn't have to.
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Re: Question for carpentry guys
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Looking at the above posts... If you have 2x6 walls with a house wrap on the outside and 6" insulation Kraft face on the inside I'd leave it at that. Make sure you have enough room around your window and door jambs for insulation, do it right, and use good doors and glass. If the interior is a wood tounge and groove type product I'd put it right over the craft face. Done. I would not put poly any where near the place if I didn't have to.
Osky I think this is the route I'm going to go with, Osky. They are 2x6 walls and electric is already in. I still may put osb or at the very least strapping because I'm going vertical with the tongue and groove. Attic is well insulated so heat loss out of the ceiling should be minimal.
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Re: Question for carpentry guys
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I would not put poly any where near the place if I didn't have to.
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Funny how different places are different. Some areas require a poly vapor barrier and others prohibit it. Personally, in a cold climate, you couldn't give me a house without a poly VB !
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Re: Question for carpentry guys
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Looking at the above posts... If you have 2x6 walls with a house wrap on the outside and 6" insulation Kraft face on the inside I'd leave it at that. Make sure you have enough room around your window and door jambs for insulation, do it right, and use good doors and glass. If the interior is a wood tounge and groove type product I'd put it right over the craft face. Done. I would not put poly any where near the place if I didn't have to.
Osky I think this is the route I'm going to go with, Osky. They are 2x6 walls and electric is already in. I still may put osb or at the very least strapping because I'm going vertical with the tongue and groove. Attic is well insulated so heat loss out of the ceiling should be minimal. We're it mine, using vertical tongue and groove, the interior osb is crappy backing for nailing. I would just put horizontal blocking in. 2 rows min, maybe 3. 2 x 4s set wide face to the inside flush to the inner studs. Toe nail them in. End nail and stagger if easier. Osky
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Re: Question for carpentry guys
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OSB is not a good backer for T&G if you are using finish nails in the tongue. OSB just doesn't grip nails very well.
Adding 2x4 nailers on flat between the studs will compress your insulation and diminish your R value.......something you are trying to protect. With batted insulation, you're going to have drafty walls if you simply install T&G without some sort of solid backing. Skip the insulation board, skip the OSB, and just add 1/2" drywall......taped and mudded with one coat to seal things up. I would save yourself a lot of work and run those finish boards horizontal. If not, fir ontop the drywall and run it vertical.
Hopefully you electrical boxes aren't installed and rough wire yet, or else you'll be moving everything.
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Re: Question for carpentry guys
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OSB is not a good backer for T&G if you are using finish nails in the tongue. OSB just doesn't grip nails very well.
Adding 2x4 nailers on flat between the studs will compress your insulation and diminish your R value.......something you are trying to protect. With batted insulation, you're going to have drafty walls if you simply install T&G without some sort of solid backing. Skip the insulation board, skip the OSB, and just add 1/2" drywall......taped and mudded with one coat to seal things up. I would save yourself a lot of work and run those finish boards horizontal. If not, fir ontop the drywall and run it vertical.
Hopefully you electrical boxes aren't installed and rough wire yet, or else you'll be moving everything. I think 6" inulsation will do just fine despit a couple of 1 1/2 inch compressions where the nailing blocks are. The wood that replaces that 1 1/2 inch of insulation has good r valu itself. Osky
"A womans heart is the hardest rock the Almighty has put on this earth, and I can find no sign on it" Jabless in Minnesota www.SureDockusa.com
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Re: Question for carpentry guys
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I think engeneers have WAY too much time on their hands . I enjoy working with a good engineer ! You can keep all the architects though. They think just because they can draw something two-dimensional that it can be built with wood in three dimensions. I received a set of signed, stamped prints from an architect for a new museum for the University of Alaska. He had the floor below grade but wouldn't believe me until he sent out a surveyor ! A lot of engineers have actually worked in the trades. Architects not so much.
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Re: Question for carpentry guys
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I think engeneers have WAY too much time on their hands . I enjoy working with a good engineer ! You can keep all the architects though. They think just because they can draw something two-dimensional that it can be built with wood in three dimensions. I received a set of signed, stamped prints from an architect for a new museum for the University of Alaska. He had the floor below grade but wouldn't believe me until he sent out a surveyor ! A lot of engineers have actually worked in the trades. Architects not so much. Lot of truth right here boys.
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Re: Question for carpentry guys
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Don't get me started about architects.
I can't tell you how many times I've had to pore over prints trying to find simple addition/subtraction errors when total inside dimensions don't equal outside dimensions. You would think basic math skills would be prerequisite to being an architect.
One of my current jobs; converting a back porch into a master bath/walk-in closet/dressing room, the existing footing does not meet current code (not deep enough). In my opinion it is deep enough to have no movement. My architect agrees. He was shocked when the code enforcement officer wouldn't let him sign off on it instead requiring a report from an engineer. It was a real blow to his ego! LOL
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Re: Question for carpentry guys
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OSB is not a good backer for T&G if you are using finish nails in the tongue. OSB just doesn't grip nails very well.
Adding 2x4 nailers on flat between the studs will compress your insulation and diminish your R value.......something you are trying to protect. With batted insulation, you're going to have drafty walls if you simply install T&G without some sort of solid backing. Skip the insulation board, skip the OSB, and just add 1/2" drywall......taped and mudded with one coat to seal things up. I would save yourself a lot of work and run those finish boards horizontal. If not, fir ontop the drywall and run it vertical.
Hopefully you electrical boxes aren't installed and rough wire yet, or else you'll be moving everything. Electrical boxes are installed but every one of them in the house is an adjustable box so wall thickness can be up to around 2 1/2" should I choose
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