Re: 30 percent less birds
[Re: nate]
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I have heard from many about the windmills. I can see about 50 of them from where i am typing-a couple are 1/4 mile from my house. I have frequently walked under them and have never seen a dead bird. I HAVE watched flocks of geese fly right through them like they weren't there and have never seen one hit. Not saying it doesn't happen-just that I have a ringside seat and it's not happening in my area.
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Re: 30 percent less birds
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I drove thru pheasant country south of Pierre SoDak yesterday and saw nary a bird.
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Re: 30 percent less birds
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Organic agriculture is supposed to have wild life buffers. Does anyone know if the organic farmers are actually using wildlife friendly practices? The big organic chicken and egg farms near here fill a fenced in field with chickens to full maximum capacity. The chickens eat and trample the vegetation to bare dirt. They feed a non gmo, organic feed and proudly sell a "cruelty free, superior product". Keith
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Re: 30 percent less birds
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Pesticide's are killing bugs. Bugs are a big part of a birds diet. I see very few lightning bugs anymore. Don't see a lot of bats or scissortail birds any more. How many whippoorwills you hear on summer nights now? All bug eaters. Woodpecker tattoo is not something you hear daily anymore in summer. Its been a long while since I heard one. Ask beekeepers about pesticide over use
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Re: 30 percent less birds
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I drove thru pheasant country south of Pierre SoDak yesterday and saw nary a bird. 10 years ago a buddy and i counted 76 dead pheasants along i90 from the ft pierre exit to the hwy 81 exit in april. Been back down that route numerous times since then and i bet ive seen 20 total.
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Re: 30 percent less birds
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Read up on West Nile and birds. It has devastated the grouse population. The article I read says many songbirds are greatly affected by it as well. Some species handle it better than others. It doesn't seem to bother turkeys. There is a good article on YouTube by Pennsylvania game commission about it. A lady that works for them narrated. Very eye opening.
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Re: 30 percent less birds
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Scientists/biologists and their surveys like this drive me nuts. Really? 30% less. Not 32 or 28? How wonderfully exact. Who’s counting now, who counted then? Where? What season?, time of day? Did a group of coyotes just hunt through that section? Point being there are so many stinking variables, the arrogance of science is thinly veiled. Here’s a scenario-last couple years I’ve always bumped a couple does out of a wood lot. This year zero. As a good biologist I declare the population is down 100%. You could have an Army counting birds and you would never be able to count them all, never. Yet, omnipotent science declares...down 30%. Of course populations rise and fall, we all know that. Here’s one for you pheasant experts. Where’s the pheasant population compared to 150 years ago? Up or down? I always like when the experts say pen raised birds can’t survive in the wild. Really? How did the pheasants get here? Fly?...from China. I can tell you why birds are down here. There’s no place to live. I can show you thousands and thousands of acres that are faunal deserts; no brush, no fence rows, no cover for a mile in any direction.
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Re: 30 percent less birds
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Organic agriculture is supposed to have wild life buffers. Does anyone know if the organic farmers are actually using wildlife friendly practices? The big organic chicken and egg farms near here fill a fenced in field with chickens to full maximum capacity. The chickens eat and trample the vegetation to bare dirt. They feed a non gmo, organic feed and proudly sell a "cruelty free, superior product". Keith Don't dish on the organics, its not a perfect system yet. However non of the corn fed will have been grown with neo-nicitonoids. This is a non discriminating killer of insects, good and bad. It is used in 90% of the corn fields you see. No bugs , no birds.
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Re: 30 percent less birds
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Bernie you would think most birds could see the windmills? They see cars too and windmills are often moving three times as fast as a car. In a moderate wind the blades are moving 120-150 mph and in a strong wind they can be moving over 200 mph. I have a friend who has windmills on his properties. There's a woman who comes once a week and picks up all the dead birds and records the species and counts them. It's her full time job. I'm certain that the lack of birds is a lot more due to pesticides and farming practices than any other factor, but windmills kill a LOT of birds and it's being kept under wraps because it doesn't fit the environmentalist narrative.
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