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NAFA certification paperwork? #6639421
10/14/19 11:08 AM
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"NAFA shippers who wish to sell their furs as NAFA Certified™ must declare their intention to fulfill the requirements for fur certification and agree to the NAFA Certified™ Terms & Conditions. "

Anybody know what this means? Anybody know what the terms and conditions are or how I declare my intentions to fulfill requirements? Thanks!

NAFA Certified Wild fur

Traceability

Certification status is recorded before barcodeing?

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Re: NAFA certification paperwork? [Re: Dirt] #6639438
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If you agree, maybe your check won't bounce?
You get a CERTIFIED check.


Made it almost 3 years without censor!

Re: NAFA certification paperwork? [Re: Dirt] #6639472
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This may be what you want; https://www.nafa.ca/webcenter/wccproxy/d?dID=25413

Much more acceptable to say I followed laws in my jurisdiction than to say I followed Canadian rules.
"ETHICAL SOURCING TERMS & CONDITIONS
12. I declare that I follow all applicable laws, regulations and codes of conduct enforced in my jurisdiction in the procurement
and trade of furs, that include, but are not limited to; harvest method, selectivity (avoidance of non-target species), seasons, quotas.
13. I declare that in all my procurement activities, I use the best tools, methods and practices, as known in my jurisdiction for
procuring each species of furbearing animal, that relate to sustainability, humaneness, and safety for myself and community members."

Re: NAFA certification paperwork? [Re: Dirt] #6639482
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Can't say my trapping is safe for me. I risk my life a lot. Guess I have to lie. crazy

I'll say this; it is a lot simpler and better than the one Canada Goose came up with.

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Re: NAFA certification paperwork? [Re: Dirt] #6639498
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Furmark

This is the direction things are heading.

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Re: NAFA certification paperwork? [Re: Dirt] #6639507
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FHA is involved with Furmark. According to them all wild fur is certified without us signing anything or declaring anything because it is a regulated harvest. Not that either Auction can sell most wild fur for diddly certified or not these days. Personally, I think we are heading towards bankruptcy not certification.

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Re: NAFA certification paperwork? [Re: Dirt] #6639544
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All wild fur is certifiable by reason of regulation and licensing, imo, nothing else needed.
I guess this is just reassuring the auction that I have a license and to absolve them if I lied about it.

Re: NAFA certification paperwork? [Re: Dirt] #6639552
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All of our natural resources are headed this way from fur to meat to timber. Everything is goiong to be CERTIFIED and TRACEABLE. Just a way to control us. Eventually the standards will be raised so high no one meet s certification and the industry goes kaput.

Re: NAFA certification paperwork? [Re: Dirt] #6639557
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Suppose the dressers trace back the slippers and demand refunds from the road kill shipper?

Re: NAFA certification paperwork? [Re: Dirt] #6639558
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I thought the purpose of traceabilty was to have a tanned hide sewed into a garment traceable, so retailers knew they were not selling raccoon dog from China. Something that, if they could do it, and retailers really cared about this, it would maybe put a stop to retailers unknowingly selling raccoon dog as raccoon?

I'm not necessarily seeing this in the NAFA program?

Personally, I see it as a marketing gimmick (like $5.95, not $6) that will serve no useful purpose when everybody does it.

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Re: NAFA certification paperwork? [Re: Dirt] #6639562
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I thought it was so the end users could sit around sipping what's and show each other how they only wear sustainables.

Re: NAFA certification paperwork? [Re: Dirt] #6639566
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If it is voluntary and it pays more????????

Re: NAFA certification paperwork? [Re: Diggerman] #6639567
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Originally Posted by Diggerman
If it is voluntary and it pays more????????


Is it voluntary? It appears if you want NAFA to auction or PT your fur, you must comply. I have no idea if this will mean more money. I doubt it.

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Re: NAFA certification paperwork? [Re: Dirt] #6639572
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If a license and state seasons are all you need then it was always certified......

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As long as I get a certified check that is.

Re: NAFA certification paperwork? [Re: Dirt] #6639592
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If you ship you are doing so voluntarily, that is the voluntary part

But they had my name address and license info before, this id just so they can add a layer of bs on the marketing side.

Re: NAFA certification paperwork? [Re: Steven 49er] #6639610
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Originally Posted by Steven 49er
Furmark

This is the direction things are heading.


Is your rural economy and your livelihood dependent on your whopping big fur checks like mine? I'd starve, if I didn't get that $400 check from FHA this year. crazy


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Re: NAFA certification paperwork? [Re: tjm] #6639793
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Originally Posted by tjm
This may be what you want; https://www.nafa.ca/webcenter/wccproxy/d?dID=25413

Much more acceptable to say I followed laws in my jurisdiction than to say I followed Canadian rules.
"ETHICAL SOURCING TERMS & CONDITIONS
12. I declare that I follow all applicable laws, regulations and codes of conduct enforced in my jurisdiction in the procurement
and trade of furs, that include, but are not limited to; harvest method, selectivity (avoidance of non-target species), seasons, quotas.
13. I declare that in all my procurement activities, I use the best tools, methods and practices, as known in my jurisdiction for
procuring each species of furbearing animal, that relate to sustainability, humaneness, and safety for myself and community members."


This is pretty much what we told them was all that was needed a couple years ago if I recall correctly.


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Re: NAFA certification paperwork? [Re: Dirt] #6640546
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Originally Posted by Dirt
FHA is involved with Furmark. According to them all wild fur is certified without us signing anything or declaring anything because it is a regulated harvest.

Exactly! There's no reason whatsoever to sign off on any declarations that are already covered under U.S. and State BMPs and regulations (i.e., certification) and the trapper's contact/license information when selling furs (i.e., traceability). It's all there already without any need for further certification or traceability sourcing.

The reasons NAFA wants us to sign off on these "new Ethical Sourcing Terms & Conditions" are the same reasons they want us "sign off" on their Certification and Traceability nonsense, which hasn't changed one bit.

NAFA wants to establish an industry practice -- their signature C+T program -- as the norm for everyone. That norm is full AIHTS compliance as written by and crafted in the European Union for the purposes of placating the animal rights movement in Europe. It's a Trojan Horse.

They tell us it's voluntary. So voluntarily say NO and refuse to sign any document that requires you to declare what is already covered by your state trapping regulations.


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Re: NAFA certification paperwork? [Re: mainer] #6640554
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Originally Posted by mainer
Originally Posted by Dirt
FHA is involved with Furmark. According to them all wild fur is certified without us signing anything or declaring anything because it is a regulated harvest.

Exactly! There's no reason whatsoever to sign off on any declarations that are already covered under U.S. and State BMPs and regulations (i.e., certification) and the trapper's contact/license information when selling furs (i.e., traceability). It's all there already without any need for further certification or traceability sourcing.

The reasons NAFA wants us to sign off on these "new Ethical Sourcing Terms & Conditions" are the same reasons they want us "sign off" on their Certification and Traceability nonsense, which hasn't changed one bit.

NAFA wants to establish an industry practice -- their signature C+T program -- as the norm for everyone. That norm is full AIHTS compliance as written by and crafted in the European Union for the purposes of placating the animal rights movement in Europe. It's a Trojan Horse.

They tell us it's voluntary. So voluntarily say NO and refuse to sign any document that requires you to declare what is already covered by your state trapping regulations.


Well put mainer, that is exactly spot on.


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