Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds
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10/14/19 10:10 AM
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Allying with any faction in the Middle East has always been a crap shoot. You can NEVER be sure that you won't regret it down the road...
We aligned with the Shah in Iran... Didn't work.
We backed the mujihadeen in Afghanistan... Precursor to the Taliban.
We backed Saddam to help fight Iran.
We back the Saudis.
We always go in with good intentions... But how do you help a region of the world where humanity is not a concern of the inhabitants who live there?
I can't really say I support either side of this debate because it seems there is no "right" decision when it comes to the Middle East. We might end up regretting NOT helping the Kurds... But chances are just about even we might regret helping them.
Mike
One man with a gun may control 100 others who have none.
Vladimir Lenin
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Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds
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10/14/19 10:15 AM
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I have absolutely no problem with bringing our Warriors home.
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Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds
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10/14/19 01:47 PM
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Maybe bringing our troops out is the best call now but we are leaving our dirty laundry scattered all over the whole Mid-East. One does not build solid foreign policy relations by starting fights and then leaving after damaging whatever balance may have been there before entering. It has been a good way for us to test our weaponry and find markets for our military arms and technology, but at the expense of lives of many who we seem to discount as lesser humans even if they help and support us.
Bryce "Our military organization today bears little relation to that known by any of my predecessors in peacetime, or indeed by the fighting men of World War II or Korea. Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But now we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense; we have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security more than the net income of all United States corporations. This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence -- economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society. In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together. "
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Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds
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10/14/19 02:39 PM
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Yes. Who would be more knowledgeable about both sides of the military industrial complex equation? I'm sure it has only gotten worse.
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Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds
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10/14/19 02:48 PM
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For one, It's not our job to police the world. I couldn't care less about what goes on over there, as long as it doesn't darken our door I say let them have at it. Secondly, I grew up as a kid during NAM and know how our Gov't hamstringed our Warriors, here we go again. If your gonna get'em, then dang it get'em. Thirdly, We defeated ISIS and that was the job, took years to do, now it's time to go. Lastly, we were only supposed to be there for a short while and what, 9 years later we are there, BS. All the blowhards in Congress, including Repubs that are running their mouths and slamming Trump for keeping a promise to us, bringing our troops home, need to either shut up or do what they are supposed to do. Declare WAR and then kick some butt.
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Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds
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10/14/19 02:50 PM
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Yes. Who would be more knowledgeable about both sides of the military industrial complex equation? I'm sure it has only gotten worse. +1!
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Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds
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10/14/19 07:37 PM
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I heard some place the other day the Kurds have killed something in the neighborhood of 40,000 Turks over a period of time, I can’t remember exactly what they said. We turned iraq and Afghanistan into a parking lot for 10 percent of that so hard to blame them for the invasion
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Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds
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10/15/19 04:34 PM
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I heard some place the other day the Kurds have killed something in the neighborhood of 40,000 Turks over a period of time That's a good start.
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Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds
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10/17/19 01:44 PM
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VP Pence brokered a cease-fire between Turkey and Syria today. We’ll see how long it lasts.
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Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds
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10/17/19 02:45 PM
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VP Pence brokered a cease-fire between Turkey and Syria today. We’ll see how long it lasts. What needs to happen now is the Kurds, The Syrian Government Forces, and the Russians need to hit the Turks, and hit them hard and knock their arses back across the border. Maybe even roll about 50 miles into Turkey, and establish a "Buffer Zone" on Turkey's side of the border. Turkey started this little border dust-up so they are the aggressors. No need for fellow NATO members to come to their aid since they started it as they are the bully in the region. IMHO. w
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Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds
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10/17/19 02:49 PM
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Someone pick me one faction in Syria or neighboring countries which is trustworthy of anything whatsoever. Coptic Christians. They've been reduced from 1.5 million in the late 90s to around 250,000 now. You guys can argue about Armenian genocide from a hundred years ago all you want, it's happening today right under the world's nose. Islam is the trendy religion now, no one wants to offend them, yet they are murdering and displacing Christians at an unprecedented rate. USMC Iraq veteran, Fallujah 04-05, Rutbah 08.
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Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds
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10/17/19 02:51 PM
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That would be a violation of the cease-fire Walleyed.
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Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds
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I've been lurking for a while reading the forums, figured I couldn't let y'all have all the fun.
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