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Re: Sighting in a .35 Remington round [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #6644303
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Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE
I would guess 1.75 to 2 inches above bore axis from the picture

ran both numbers try for 1/2 inch high at 50 yards this should be about a 1/2 inch low at 25 yards , 1 inch high at 75 yards and a 1/2 high at 100 yards and 1.75 low at 150

assuming the box velocity is spot on for leverevolution

running it at 2100fps it will be about an inch lower at 150 and all the other measurements will be with in 3/8 of an inch

of course checking the zero at full distance or at least longer distance is ideal because a foot or 3 in miss measurement or a 1/2 inch in trajectory at 25 yards can change all those numbers , on a 1.75 high scope those numbers come to a 115 yard zero

but a 50 yard check is better than just a 25 yard zero

That scenario would be perfect. Thank all of you for your help. I will try and post some pics tomorrow. I will definitely recheck it at 100yds when I find a place.


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Re: Sighting in a .35 Remington round [Re: Catch22] #6644318
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A scope on a lever gun is sacrilege......


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Originally Posted by Nessmuck
A scope on a lever gun is sacrilege......


I wasn’t going to say it, but now that you did… grin


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Re: Sighting in a .35 Remington round [Re: Catch22] #6644338
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OK let's look at this from a different angle. Zero the gun dead bull at 50 yards if that is all you have available. All data says it will be a little high at 100. The average deer's body is 16 inches top of back to brisket at the shoulder. Starting at the brisket behind the front leg 3 inches from the bottom is the start of the kill area. The approximate Kill zone is a 9 inch circle. I would not hunt with it personally but who's to say you won't have a shot with 60 yards? I would sight it dead on at 50 and as soon as possible get it out to 100 to see what it does. I sighted a rifle (not a 35) in at 1.25 inches high at 100 which was what everything said to have it dead on at 200. I figured that would be ok even if it was off an inch one way or the other. Fortunately I shot it at 200 before I took it in the woods only to find out it was 2 1/2 feet high at 200. I don't go by theory or calculators. I now will only go by what I can verify at a range.


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Re: Sighting in a .35 Remington round [Re: Catch22] #6644435
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Hope that ammo preforms better in your .35 than it did in my boys .44. It was accurate enough but no expansion on the bullets.

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Re: Sighting in a .35 Remington round [Re: Catch22] #6644568
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Originally Posted by Catch22
Originally Posted by coonlove
Iron sights or scope? Is this a Marlin 336?

Yes, on the Marlin and it's scoped with a vortex 3x9 x40



1 bullet hole high at 35 yds will cover you out to 200yds

Re: Sighting in a .35 Remington round [Re: Catch22] #6644828
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I use the Leverevolution in my Winchester 32 Special. That woke up that gun for the most part.
I only use the hooded sights. But at 100 yards I hold dead on. Love those older guns.


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Re: Sighting in a .35 Remington round [Re: Nessmuck] #6644870
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Originally Posted by Nessmuck
A scope on a lever gun is sacrilege......

Not iffn you have the cataract riddled eyes like mine, them buckhorn rear sights limit me to bout 35 yds. with my marlin 1895 CB45-70. Got a 2x7 on it works much better!
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Re: Sighting in a .35 Remington round [Re: Catch22] #6644881
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your friend must be really short with the scope way back there.
I find all my scopes especially the vortex with the little longer eye relief are all about an inch behind the trigger with the rear lenses


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Re: Sighting in a .35 Remington round [Re: Catch22] #6644918
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Originally Posted by Catch22
Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE
I would guess 1.75 to 2 inches above bore axis from the picture

ran both numbers try for 1/2 inch high at 50 yards this should be about a 1/2 inch low at 25 yards , 1 inch high at 75 yards and a 1/2 high at 100 yards and 1.75 low at 150

assuming the box velocity is spot on for leverevolution

running it at 2100fps it will be about an inch lower at 150 and all the other measurements will be with in 3/8 of an inch

of course checking the zero at full distance or at least longer distance is ideal because a foot or 3 in miss measurement or a 1/2 inch in trajectory at 25 yards can change all those numbers , on a 1.75 high scope those numbers come to a 115 yard zero

but a 50 yard check is better than just a 25 yard zero

That scenario would be perfect. Thank all of you for your help. I will try and post some pics tomorrow. I will definitely recheck it at 100yds when I find a place.

It's sighted in and that scenario in bold was dead on. Thanks Pete and everyone. Next go around will be to check it at 100yds when I find a place to do so.


I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
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I looked at the numbers given in the older #3 Hornady manual. It uses a different bullet but the same starting velocity so it is somewhat similar.

If you are planning on using this for deer hunting it might want to sight it in for about 3/4 high at 50 that is then dead on at 100 and 3 1/2 low at 150 with the scope 1 /1/2 above bore.

There is a time tested sight in thought to set your sights so the the bullet Never goes over +3" higher than your point of aim when shooting at deer size and larger game animals. If you went with that premise you could site it in +1 3/4 high at 50, +2 1/2 high at 100, dead on at 150 and -6 at 200.
Possibly a little different thought, a slightly different sight in point and point of view.


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Re: Sighting in a .35 Remington round [Re: Catch22] #6645079
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"Hope that ammo preforms better in your .35 than it did in my boys .44. It was accurate enough but no expansion on the bullets."

ADC.
Great picture and thank you for posting it. Was this bullet recovered from a dead animal? Could you post a measurement across the widest part of the expanded copper from side to side?. What is the recovered bullet weight? It appears to be maybe around .480", the rear portion is still totally intact which will give deep penetration. I
I love to see recovered bullets and always want to more about where they come from. I have collected hundred of them over many years of hunting. (Not all were ones I shot, I miss too often. LOL) Where I could I recorded many different calibers, different bullet brands, shapes and weights, the speed, distance, where they hit the animal and what the reaction the animal had when hit.
I probably was interested in the effect of bullets because I live near the Speer bullet manufacturing facility and I starting hand loading when I was about 11 years old. My Mom even worked at CCI (also owned by Speer) for a couple years back in my early years.

One reason I like large diameter bullets is they don't need to expand nearly as much as the smaller caliber bullets they are already bigger in diameter than many of the perfectly expanded smaller bullets. That is one reason I have always prefer the .35 Remington cartridge over the smaller diameter 30-30 bullet especially for bigger black bears where deep penetration may often be needed.
Big diameter bullets often disrupt more tissue than the smaller ones.
Although I don't like it some bullets do not expend nearly as much as I might like even at close ranges and others over expand (blow up / come apart) and I don't like them at all on big game.
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Re: Sighting in a .35 Remington round [Re: Katcatcher] #6645116
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Originally Posted by Katcatcher
"Hope that ammo preforms better in your .35 than it did in my boys .44. It was accurate enough but no expansion on the bullets."

ADC.
Great picture and thank you for posting it. Was this bullet recovered from a dead animal? Could you post a measurement across the widest part of the expanded copper from side to side?. What is the recovered bullet weight? It appears to be maybe around .480", the rear portion is still totally intact which will give deep penetration. I
I love to see recovered bullets and always want to more about where they come from. I have collected hundred of them over many years of hunting. (Not all were ones I shot, I miss too often. LOL) Where I could I recorded many different calibers, different bullet brands, shapes and weights, the speed, distance, where they hit the animal and what the reaction the animal had when hit.
I probably was interested in the effect of bullets because I live near the Speer bullet manufacturing facility and I starting hand loading when I was about 11 years old. My Mom even worked at CCI (also owned by Speer) for a couple years back in my early years.

One reason I like large diameter bullets is they don't need to expand nearly as much as the smaller caliber bullets they are already bigger in diameter than many of the perfectly expanded smaller bullets. That is one reason I have always prefer the .35 Remington cartridge over the smaller diameter 30-30 bullet especially for bigger black bears where deep penetration may often be needed.
Big diameter bullets often disrupt more tissue than the smaller ones.
Although I don't like it some bullets do not expend nearly as much as I might like even at close ranges and others over expand (blow up / come apart) and I don't like them at all on big game.
Pete

That was from a couple years ago. So no measurements but on a broad side shot it would of just poked a hole through and never been recovered, as it was the deer turned last second and the shot was a Texas heart shot, from left rear quarter and recovered on the right front shoulder. Passed through the entire body yet almost no expansion and very little "shock value" deer ran 100 yards and laid down and died. Had similar performance for Hornady SST slugs. 2 holes right through the deer both lungs and the deer never even stumbled, never bled a drop for 10 yards then it poured out and died about 40 yards. I thought though I somehow missed both shots, until I looked for blood. I am VERY unimpressed with those style bullets.

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Originally Posted by Catch22
It's sighted in and that scenario in bold was dead on. Thanks Pete and everyone. Next go around will be to check it at 100yds when I find a place to do so.


Take it down to the school. The football field is all marked off, just need some duct tape to hang your target from the goal post.

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Originally Posted by ~ADC~
Originally Posted by Catch22
It's sighted in and that scenario in bold was dead on. Thanks Pete and everyone. Next go around will be to check it at 100yds when I find a place to do so.


Take it down to the school. The football field is all marked off, just need some duct tape to hang your target from the goal post.

I think that's frowned upon nowadays Jayme lol. And why are you complaining about those rounds, 40 yards is not far to walk to find your deer. grin


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I guess if you're ok with archery hunting deer with field points, then those bullets are ok for rifle hunting. laugh

I think you should try the football field, just go on Sunday when no one is at school. smile

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Since you don't like or haven't had good success with the Hornady FTX in the .44 rifle. What bullets do you prefer in it that give the expansion you want?
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I try for point of the shoulder or neck now if I can get it. I had a buck a few years back broad side double lung shot with a 12ga 72 cal rifled slug , there was blood everywhere the first 50 feet of blood trail was 3 foot wide and every birch tree red on one side. then the blood went to drips and is was so darn cold it froze to the rocks almost instantly about 75 yards in to the blood trail it stopped and I followed ruffled leaves the next 75 deer ran till it collapsed face first into the dirt front legs under it. I knew I had lung as I had white lung tissue and fur on the trail where I shot it , never expected it to go that far with that much lost blood
I had shot a number of deer that way with the same slug and most ran but no were near that far, some just have a real will to keep going
I don't care much for tracking deer.

I was impressed by the winchester 20ga dualbond sabots last year , it was our first year shooting deer with them , they use a bullet more like an XTP double lung shot , wasn't me shooting the exit wound actually blew the fur off the deer for about 2 inches around the exit wound no bullet recovery was made but the exit hole was impressive also about a 30 yard track with decent blood trail the shooter however through he missed it being not very confident he couldn't see it was hit and it just disappeared on him it ran and collapsed behind a log it jumped over had to be standing over it to see the deer , it was an area with blow downs and the way the 2 logs were laying it hid the deer till i was right up to it.

I found blood when checking the area , the shooter also hadn't realized it was a shot a,most twice the distance he thought it was

the 44 dual bond 44cal bullet in the sabot seems to be the same as what Winchester is using on their dualbond 44mag ammo https://www.midwayusa.com/product/2900163613

distance was about 80 yards on that large bodied fork. also the young guys first deer

the gun and ammo were mine he was just using it for that hunt.





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Since you don't like or haven't had good success with the Hornady FTX in the .44 rifle. What bullets do you prefer in it that give the expansion you want?
Pete


Try the Barnes BOR-TX 225 XPB HP https://www.sportsmansguide.com/pro...num-xpb-hp-225-grain-20-rounds?a=1582728

Doubt you'll add a bullet to the collection. I have not recovered any. Wicked lethal. Bet you could put one in the engine block of a 72 Cadillac, Texas heart shot style.

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Originally Posted by Lugnut
Originally Posted by Nessmuck
A scope on a lever gun is sacrilege......


I wasn’t going to say it, but now that you did… grin

used to say that also,,,back when my eyes were much better.


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