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Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: The Beav] #6658630
11/06/19 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by The Beav
1- No fur at NAFA for the 2020 season.

2- Dealer lots will be returned to dealers.

3- Intersorted pelts will be sold at auction and trappers will be paid for that fur.

4- Bad Checks will be made good.

5- when this will happen I don't know.


What Auction? No wild fur sale in 2020 means no auction. confused

Until the secured creditors get paid off, I don't believe the monitor will let unsecured creditors get paid?


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Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Actor] #6658639
11/06/19 09:59 AM
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From what I hear bank has seized everything no fur is leaving the buildings.


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Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Actor] #6658647
11/06/19 10:11 AM
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There's always Private Treaty! cry cry crazy


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Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Actor] #6658662
11/06/19 10:23 AM
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1 No new fur, just Bocos, beavs and a select few others
2 Uh huh
3 After the higher powers get theirs there wont be any left
4 Checks in the mail
5 Never

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Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Actor] #6658684
11/06/19 10:57 AM
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add em all together and you get Walleyed's favorite saying.BOHICA

has anyone saw any sign of interest picking up on the nafa news by other fur outlets?? i'll say it but i've saw a lot of action by other outlets in the last 2 weeks.from fha,groeny,and to me i see interest in the country actually ramping up.

hopefully they have the end markets and do well.

i still say this is better than staying on the path we were on.

also feel it may be time for wild fur producers to put a target on the ranchers.


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Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: mink99] #6658769
11/06/19 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by mink99
From what I hear bank has seized everything no fur is leaving the buildings.


That is correct. At least for the time being. NAFA is working on getting dealer lots released. My understanding is that the intersorted fur is not a top priority right now.

Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Actor] #6658973
11/06/19 05:32 PM
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Rumor has it there are even some mink ranchers out there who too havenít been paid.
Could that be possible?

Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: nimzy] #6658985
11/06/19 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by nimzy
Rumor has it there are even some mink ranchers out there who too havenít been paid.
Could that be possible?


Anything is possible and I think NAFA owing some mink ranchers is probably true. If they didnít have loans from NAFA before the August sale and they had mink that sold, they could have gotten a bad check.

There are also brokers that havenít been paid from not only the August sale but the May/June sale as well.

I get the feeling that the NAFA financial situation is rather complex and that is why it will take a year or so to get straightened out.

Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: nimzy] #6659241
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Originally Posted by nimzy
Rumor has it there are even some mink ranchers out there who too havenít been paid.
Could that be possible?


I thought this was common knowledge? There are lots of mink ranchers that are owed money from nafa. There are ranchers that still have pelts up there they canít get at.


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Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Actor] #6659344
11/07/19 06:24 AM
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But, I thought we were blaming mink ranchers for the fall of Nafa?

Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Actor] #6659345
11/07/19 06:24 AM
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we are,pay attention.


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Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Actor] #6659347
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This mess started 15 years ago with the promotion exploration in China. The events that followed are historical

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Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Actor] #6659349
11/07/19 06:40 AM
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Amazing that folks would borrow money to the ranch when they know full well they won't make it back. Even worse, to loan the money knowing the same.

Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Actor] #6659372
11/07/19 07:02 AM
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nah,worse is using wild fur to fund ranch fur mad


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Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Actor] #6659376
11/07/19 07:07 AM
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The hand written was on the wall when they had no bottom price on there coon years ago and I posted it was a fire sale on here and some said about for how business was done, back when in the late 90's they had a bottom price that when it was not met they pull all the coon. They had brought it on them self. I use to ship to them many years ago . I stop when I was laid up for some time and seen what was going on with them, I found someone else to sell to . To bad for the ones that did not got paid and stuck in this mess. The ones on the top of NAFA will look to find a way to cover there self now and the fur producers is the one that will pay for it in the end.


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Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Actor] #6659378
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Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Actor] #6659520
11/07/19 10:02 AM
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Expanding in a contracting market and selling product below production costs. That usually won't work too long. At least without some gubmint candy. frown


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Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: pcr2] #6659553
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Originally Posted by pcr2
nah,worse is using wild fur to fund ranch fur mad



I think you have that backwards. Money from the commissions of ranch mink were often used to help fund the promotion of wild fur.


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Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: hippie] #6659559
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Originally Posted by hippie
Amazing that folks would borrow money to the ranch when they know full well they won't make it back. Even worse, to loan the money knowing the same.


The borrowing has gone on for several years without a problem. Wasnít until recently when mink prices went south that there were problems.


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Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: nimzy] #6659560
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Originally Posted by nimzy
But, I thought we were blaming mink ranchers for the fall of Nafa?



Well, if mink ranchers could just operate like trappers and ranch even when they lose money year after year, NAFA would still be in business like FHA.


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