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Re: Hospital bills and bankruptcy. [Re: Sprung & Rusty] #6648191
10/25/19 12:27 AM
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doctors are not like your vet or dentist. by law they can only bill what you say you can do . Don't go bankrupt. One dollar a month has to be taken. I didn't know that and stretched myself too thin when the billing office asked me "what can I pay" when the ex had cancer but I paid. Because I was being "honorable". They will ask you what you can pay . I learned this from someone who is a consultant in medical billing. She hates insurance companies.

edit, if you say one dollar a month is all you can pay


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Re: Hospital bills and bankruptcy. [Re: Sprung & Rusty] #6648197
10/25/19 12:44 AM
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Anyone here tried to get a straight answer as to cost of any medical item recently? It takes hours or days. I don't have insurance and have had to go through this process twice recently. Once because I had a farming accident and broke my hand-- that was the easiest -- don't go to the emergency room unless it is a true emergency. I knew this before and hope that i can get out of this with less than 1500$. Before that my bp meds ran out-- it took 3 days to get an app. dollar figure ( labs) and the situation is still not resolved. It will be almost 1000$ just to get my prescription renewed and the soonest they will see me is 11/26. The healthcare system is broken. I think we are trying to model ourselves after Canada -- having friends who live there, it is not a good model.

Re: Hospital bills and bankruptcy. [Re: trapper124] #6648209
10/25/19 02:27 AM
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Originally Posted by trapper124
Originally Posted by jtg
The attorneys have a lot to do with the high bills and are those who make the laws and who and how to bill, including the affordable care act. Doctors are getting sued non-stop and so our hospitals and just about every other business. Americans are hobbled by lawsuits.


This. Defensive medicine is expensive.


When my 99 year old, great, great aunt Goldie died back in the eighties, my grandparents were charged for a pregnancy test the hospital gave her as part of their standard procedures for female patients.

Keith

Re: Hospital bills and bankruptcy. [Re: Sprung & Rusty] #6648216
10/25/19 05:05 AM
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One reason hospitals and doctors charge as much as they do is because of the premiums on the insurance they have to buy. So many people out there just waiting for any reason to sue anyone and make a quick buck, doctors are an easy target.


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Re: Hospital bills and bankruptcy. [Re: Sprung & Rusty] #6648222
10/25/19 05:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Sprung&Rusty
Originally Posted by MJM
How can there be a problem? The Affordable Care Act passed.

Now that's funny right there. And Yeah, you can keep your Dr. Too. sick anyone who voted for that guy should feel ashamed and anti american.


At least Obama tried to deal with the problem.

Orange man promised a health care plan to "cover everybody," but he hasn't done squat to enact it.

Jim


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Re: Hospital bills and bankruptcy. [Re: Sprung & Rusty] #6648232
10/25/19 05:58 AM
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too busy defending himself from fake dossiers, fake "whistle blowers", etc.

and Obama tried to deal with it by fundamentally transforming us into a socialist system.

Re: Hospital bills and bankruptcy. [Re: white marlin] #6648275
10/25/19 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by white marlin
too busy defending himself from fake dossiers, fake "whistle blowers", etc.

and Obama tried to deal with it by fundamentally transforming us into a socialist system.


Boy that’s the truth. Just out of curiosity who knows where and why health insurance (as a job benefit) became ingrained in our society?

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Re: Hospital bills and bankruptcy. [Re: Pawnee] #6648355
10/25/19 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Pawnee
Originally Posted by white marlin
too busy defending himself from fake dossiers, fake "whistle blowers", etc.

and Obama tried to deal with it by fundamentally transforming us into a socialist system.


Boy that’s the truth. Just out of curiosity who knows where and why health insurance (as a job benefit) became ingrained in our society?


I believe it was WWII, companies had a hard time getting workers, Gov't didn't let them increase wages so they offered health Ins. as a benefit.

Maybe wrong on when but I'm pretty sure about the wages/benefit angle


On a side note I have no Health Ins.
When I go to Dr/hospital they knock 45% off the cost right away.


I had an employee that was paying $5/month on a Hospital bill. She tried to negotiate a lower price the Hospital said no way, pay full bill, so she only pays $5/month to keep them off her back.

Re: Hospital bills and bankruptcy. [Re: Sprung & Rusty] #6648830
10/25/19 08:44 PM
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Health insurance is cheaper than bankruptcy. More dependable than Go Fund Me.

Re: Hospital bills and bankruptcy. [Re: Sprung & Rusty] #6648838
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The whole thing is set up for the fail, something needs to be done.


I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
Re: Hospital bills and bankruptcy. [Re: Catch22] #6649155
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Originally Posted by Catch22
The whole thing is set up for the fail, something needs to be done.


if you are talking about ObamaCare, you are absolutely correct!

{and, I'll dig up the quotes from Obama, Gruber, et al; if I have to prove it to anyone)

they knew they couldn't get single-payer passed (their wet dream); so they designed O-Care to fail, so people would then demand they "do something", and voila! Socialism!

and DirtyD is correct about how health insurance became part of employment compensation (WW2, wage controls, competition in that environment for workers)

it was only a matter of time until pricing got out of control, as somebody ELSE was paying the bill.

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Re: Hospital bills and bankruptcy. [Re: Sprung & Rusty] #6649237
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Obama care was designed to fail. The goal was to make healthcare so difficult that the people would beg the government to take it over. It's working. The federal government already owns the country's largest industry - education. They want to own the second largest - healthcare. Then they will work on whatever the third largest is.

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Re: Hospital bills and bankruptcy. [Re: Sprung & Rusty] #6649371
10/26/19 11:03 AM
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Dirty D you got everything perfect! WWII started the whole thing, and it’s been down hill ever since. When we got away from cash and with insurance people started going to the doctor for every little thing. Leading to major increases in health care cost.


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Re: Hospital bills and bankruptcy. [Re: H2ORat] #6649432
10/26/19 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by H2ORat
In his defense, the healthcare system was on its last legs anyway -- but he didn't have to put the last nails in the coffin. As with everything else the ins companies and the lawyers won.


Name one company that wouldn't support making it mandatory for everyone to buy their product. Especially if you know you can raise your prices to cover the "losing" cases.

I would be interested to know which politicians had investments in insurance companies and how those politicians voted on the ACA. Is that not the dirtiest version of "insider" trading you can think of?

Mike


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Re: Hospital bills and bankruptcy. [Re: charles] #6649485
10/26/19 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by charles
Health insurance is cheaper than bankruptcy. More dependable than Go Fund Me.


I don't think you get it.


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