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Re: One Shot [Re: Sullivan K] #6650307
10/27/19 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Sullivan K
Originally Posted by Lugnut
I used to shoot 180 grain Remington Core-Lokt for bear and 150 grain for deer. I didn’t always have time to re-zero my rifle between seasons, ours here in PA are back to back. So eventually I settled on 165 grain Remington for both. I shoot the old style, standard Core-Lokt and have been for the last 40 years or so. I’ve recovered several bullets over the years and have found that the mushroom perfectly and lose very little weight in their travel through a deer body.


I only ever recovered one bullet. All the rest passed through, even the one that broke both front legs (shoulders) on one deer. The one bullet I did recover was also, as yours, a perfect mushroom.


Keith,I think you should try a lighter bullet.I consider the 180 gr to be better suited for elk.A friend had this problem and I suggested trying 150's.He likes them a lot better.It sounds like 165's are good a swell,but no experience here.

Re: One Shot [Re: Sullivan K] #6650320
10/27/19 10:21 AM
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The high shoulder shot just a little forward towards the base of the neck will fold them right there! I have had a couple fall with their legs facing opposite direction from me when hit there with my 7mm STW. I think when hit somewhere solid like that area the bullet shock is what puts them down so fast

Re: One Shot [Re: Sullivan K] #6650325
10/27/19 10:27 AM
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Your point of aim must be a problem. CoreLokt bullets are great for deer. You do not need a 180-grain bullet. I also prefer a high shoulder placement. It takes out the aorta, spine, both lungs, and the very back of both shoulders.

I have taken over 200 deer in NC. I am 73 now. I can no longer drag a deer so I need immediate kills.

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Re: One Shot [Re: Sullivan K] #6650327
10/27/19 10:28 AM
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what would ya'll says more important.the bullet or the shot placement??









Re: One Shot [Re: pcr2] #6650332
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The placement wins hands down. No bullet will compensate for bad placement.

Re: One Shot [Re: Sullivan K] #6650361
10/27/19 11:05 AM
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If a deer is facing you, head up, a bullet into the CENTER of the throat will hill the spine and drop it right there. Even a 22 rimfire, 40-50 yards will drop it right there with that shot. CENTER of the throat. No missing, right in the CENTER.

My grandad told me that on a cold day you want to squeeze the trigger as soon as you see the steam from the deer's breath. They will just drop if shot on the exhale. I don't know how true that is but I know that sometimes shot in the heart they just collapse and sometimes they jump straight up then run with their head down and collapse. If your on one ridge and the deer on the other shooting across canyon, a good heart shot that deer my go uphill a step or two then will stumble down hill and collapse. Mule deer like to run uphill. You will be eating backstrap if it goes down hill with its head hanging down.

Shot a whitetail a few years ago with a 50 caliber round ball and 85 grains of goex blackpowder. That deer looked to be unhit when it ran. Only went about 30 yards but thick brush. I couldn't see it after it jumped straight forward. Got to where it was standing and could see foamy lung stuff on the ground. I knew it was dead and close but I thought I had missed till I walked over there.

Anytime you shoot have a good look. Not just for blood either. I think its all to common for somebody to kill a deer and never go get it because they thought they missed.


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Re: One Shot [Re: Sullivan K] #6650389
10/27/19 11:32 AM
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I shoot 130 grain out of a .270 and usually they run a short distance, maybe fifty yards. That’s fine by me, but where I hunt is wide open, probably still see it go down if it ran a half mile first. I might feel different if I was hunting in thick woods


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Re: One Shot [Re: Sullivan K] #6650431
10/27/19 12:37 PM
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head or spine and they pile up. I have a tendency to shoot high so I make a lot of spine shots. Probably 50% of the time they are not dead when I walk up but they usually don't move. Once in a while you get one that can still use its front legs and they may drag themselves a ways. If I have a good rest and a calm deer I will head shoot,killed a doe this morning, no loss of meat and they don't move. IMO any other shot the animal can run a ways.


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Re: One Shot [Re: Sullivan K] #6650468
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Neck and through the shoulders have dropped the deer I have hit there. I don't hunt with a rifle much anymore but I like to shoot them through the heart. They never go far and little meat is wasted.

Re: One Shot [Re: SundanceMtnMan] #6650481
10/27/19 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by SundanceMtnMan
head or spine and they pile up. I have a tendency to shoot high so I make a lot of spine shots. Probably 50% of the time they are not dead when I walk up but they usually don't move. Once in a while you get one that can still use its front legs and they may drag themselves a ways. If I have a good rest and a calm deer I will head shoot,killed a doe this morning, no loss of meat and they don't move. IMO any other shot the animal can run a ways.

Might bit scary lol. I've had a few give me the shot that Sako said above and they dropped immediately. So I'm going on record saying I have shot more than three deer. grin


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Re: One Shot [Re: Sullivan K] #6650482
10/27/19 01:44 PM
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Have always taken a heart shot. They have never gone more than 30 feet if they did not fall over where they stood.

Re: One Shot [Re: ] #6650528
10/27/19 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by krispcritter
Have always taken a heart shot. They have never gone more than 30 feet if they did not fall over where they stood




See, this is what I don't understand. I don't know how many but a lot of the deer I have shot have been hit in the heart. Never have I had one run only 30 feet. They run more like 40-50 yards, sometimes even more than that. I have NEVER had a heart shot deer drop in its tracks.


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Re: One Shot [Re: Sullivan K] #6650538
10/27/19 03:27 PM
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if you desire the DRT (dead right there) results you hit them with a high velocity, quick expanding, cup/core bullet, reports are the 25/06 and the 6mm's account for a large percentage of those DRT hits, and you hit them at the point of most resistance (the scapula) if the bullet expends all its energy on/inside the deer and doesn't exit, the hydraulic shock of the blood going backwards through the major blood vessels hits the brain stem causing the brain to send out an all systems stop message, however you will lose much more meat than the traditional double lung/heart shot which is fatal 100% of the time.
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Re: One Shot [Re: 330-Trapper] #6650541
10/27/19 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by 330-Trapper
Follow the front leg up, at the top of the Scapula. Very Top. They Drop.

Yes . We call that the "OFF" button around here.

But if Its thick and the shot is fairly close the neck shot is better (in my opinion) We call it the NTR shot. (NO TRACKING REQUIRED) !



Ok bucks and bears tell me and everyone else why I'm wrong.

Re: One Shot [Re: Sullivan K] #6650548
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I had the same issue on the place I hunted for years . Perfect kill shot and deer would run . It was so thick with briars and honey suckle that sometimes finding them even tho we heard the crash was all most impossible. I stopped using rem core lock first and foremost. I switched to federal soft points. 270 and a 6mm. Then if I had the chance would always shoot them in the neck. From the throat patch to just above the brisket was instant drop. If it was a walking broad side shoot the "High" shoulder as mentioned before dead in the tracks. That is were the spine drops down in a deers frame were the front legs are attached/ shoulders.

Re: One Shot [Re: Sullivan K] #6650549
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I never considered myself a good shot, so I always aim for the biggest kill area, which is the heart lungs. I neck shot a deer once because that was the only shot I had.


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Re: One Shot [Re: Sullivan K] #6650555
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People keep saying certain shots "loose" meat. Any kill shot will cause loss of meat except for one. Head shot between the eyes. Most of the calibers and bullet grains you guys are talking about don't expand enough to cause much Muscle tissue( meat) lose. But if you start comparing the 243, 6mm. and flat shooting rounds then yes it will increase meat damage . But unless you are only allowed 1 deer a year why worry? Heck just shoot another doe and hit it in a spot that will kill it in a few seconds. !!!!!!!

I have seen bow kills with a rage broad head have more bad tissue that has to be cut off than most 130 grain or above bullets. No matter what the caliber. If you use a 150 -180 grain bullet chances are the exit wound wont be much larger than a quarter.

Re: One Shot [Re: Sullivan K] #6650560
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Originally Posted by Sullivan K
I never considered myself a good shot, so I always aim for the biggest kill area, which is the heart lungs. I neck shot a deer once because that was the only shot I had.


That is the best and most common shot. But I have seen guys wait for a deer to turn before shooting. The kill zone on a deer is about the size of a basket ball. That zone is still present in that deer regardless of how he is turned. To me the only no shot is straight away. Looking right at me ? If he is under 150 yards I'm grinning because if I hit him he don't move. Except straight down . LOL If he runs off 99.9 % chance he was missed. That white throat patch makes a great target by the way !!!!

Re: One Shot [Re: Sullivan K] #6650561
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Try switching bullets. Give the federal or Hornady ammo a try. Core loks sometimes just "poke a hole" thru the deer and they will run off before dying.

Re: One Shot [Re: jbyrd63] #6650566
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Originally Posted by jbyrd63
That white throat patch makes a great target by the way !!!!


I did that once and it made such a mess of the guts I decided not to do that anymore


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