Re: Driving deer is unsafe
[Re: James]
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10/27/19 02:12 AM
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But I also think it's pretty clear that driving is the most dangerous way to hunt game.
Jim
Of that I have no doubt. But it doesn't mean it's unsafe, there is a difference
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Re: Driving deer is unsafe
[Re: James]
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10/27/19 08:23 AM
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I've been involved in deer drives for 50+ years. The groups I've hunted with have never had an incident nor a close one. That can't be said for drives I've observed that came close to us or through us. The drives I was involved with in the 60s as a kid were well planned and executed. The older fellas made sure all were aware of everyone's position and how/where it would conclude. That was how my young mind perceived things. The drives in the 80s and 90s were without these older fellas,and it appeared to me to be a bit less organized and perhaps more reckless. The drives I've observed in the last twenty years are much different now. The "older" fellas are about done. And the younger fellas are not too keen on pushing deer for standers. There are exceptions to this,but that's the general rule. That and it's "too much work." Example: I've hunted public river bottoms more or less in the same area since mid-80s. During the 80s and 90s there would be, on average, three different drives through the swamp on Saturday and two on Sunday. 2000 forward there would be two on Saturday, and one before the Packer game on Sunday. Good times for a tree stander. Deer moved all day and success rates for this boy were high. About 2006 or so the river drives changed dramatically. One drive Saturday and none on Sunday. The younger guys were done slugging through the swamp. The older fellas either found the couch or the bar stool. Our group started smaller drives. Deer movement mostly ceased except during these minidrives. Today it's a rare event, in this same area, to observe a drive by others outside our group. Too much work I suppose. I've changed my tactics and am successful but deer movement is definitely different with the big drives gone. Again, this is public river bottoms, accessed only by boat. I'm sure up in more easily accessed areas the story may be different, but for the swamp this is the way I see it. I still enjoy participating in drives. The pace is much slower, to the point where it becomes more of a still hunt towards a couple of standers versus a march in the same direction. Anyway, for what it's worth.
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Re: Driving deer is unsafe
[Re: James]
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10/27/19 03:57 PM
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I’ve been hunting over fifty years and only know two people that were involved in hunting related incidents. James (no relation to the OP) was shot in the leg with a high powered rifle by a man that swore he saw a deer. Problem was James was sitting on a rock with his brother, both he and his brother were wearing hunter orange in compliance with state law! The other incident involved a man I worked with in Montana. Charly had a HORSE that he was riding shot out from under him. Charly was wearing orange, again for compliance with state law. His horse was wearing orange in the form of orange surveyors ribbon tied in mane and tail and an orange saddle blanket. The shooter in both incidents were non residents from east of the big river. I have some friends that I would feel totally fine in a “drive “ either as a poster or driver. We sometimes do small pushes where the “driver” is actually still hunting a small patch of timber while the stander is watching the escape routes. Bottom line is like most grown up activities, it is only as safe as the participants. All the stats I’ve read, turkey hunters are more likely to be shot by another hunter by a wide margin. James your profession should have proven to you that “ya can’t fix stupid”. It does tend to cull itself though.
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Re: Driving deer is unsafe
[Re: James]
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10/27/19 04:02 PM
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Jim, how many people have you known that died or were injured in small airplane crashes in Alaska? Don't get in one. Ever.
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Re: Driving deer is unsafe
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10/27/19 10:13 PM
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Agreed, but it is still legal here so I say it should be permitted. I personally don’t encourage it though. We use it here for some managed hunts and I think it is unsafe so I don’t participate. Oh boo hoo, dang Rob!
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Re: Driving deer is unsafe
[Re: Dirt]
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10/27/19 10:32 PM
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Jim, how many people have you known that died or were injured in small airplane crashes in Alaska? Don't get in one. Ever. Is that how you hunt, Dirt? By driving? Jim
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Re: Driving deer is unsafe
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10/27/19 10:36 PM
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Have been on 100, s of drives. Both gun n bow. Can't say I've ever been on one where things went bad.
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Re: Driving deer is unsafe
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10/27/19 11:21 PM
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Jim, how many people have you known that died or were injured in small airplane crashes in Alaska? Don't get in one. Ever. Is that how you hunt, Dirt? By driving? Jim Just on Montague and the son and I drove deer to each other. If I could fit seven or eight guys in my boat, we would run bigger ones. Could you answer my question? I thought the subject was safety? BTW don't take a boat out there Jim, it is unsafe. You could hit a whale.
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Re: Driving deer is unsafe
[Re: James]
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10/28/19 01:54 AM
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Haven't hunted Montague, just Kodiak, Afognak, and Raspberry. In those islands, the hunting pressure is low enough that you can still-hunt the deer; you can usually shoot them while they stand looking at you. Montague may get more pressure though.
Would you pick seven or eight random guys, guys you didn't know, to drive-hunt with your son?
You know I do fly in planes and ride in boats. But if teleportation was a safer option, I'd teleport.
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Re: Driving deer is unsafe
[Re: James]
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10/28/19 02:25 AM
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Wow, I had no idea driving deer was this popular. I find myself once again in the minority, at least among the outspoken.
And yes, I know they commonly drive deer and boar in Europe, but over there they have peons to do the driving.
Because of my own experience of once having seen a driver almost killed, I can't bring myself to agree that driving is a safe way to hunt. When I try visualize a safe way to drive deer, I always arrive at unsafe firing solutions. Yeah, there is blaze orange, but a bullet will travel farther than you can see in many situations.
I wish someone could do a diagram of a safe drive for me. Some things are better conveyed in images than words.
Aside from safety, I wonder if it's as rewarding to shoot a driven deer. Don't you have to share the credit and glory--let alone the meat--with ten or twenty other guys?
I suppose the camaraderie of a group hunt is a thing to put on the plus side of driving. But driving isn't the only way to group hunt.
My own favorite ways of hunting are still-hunting, spot-and-stalk, and calling. I will sit in a blind for hours if I have to, but it ain't my favorite.
The one thing I remain convinced of is that if I ever find myself on a deer drive, I'd rather be a gunner than a driver!
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Re: Driving deer is unsafe
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10/28/19 12:15 PM
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Wow, I had no idea driving deer was this popular. I find myself once again in the minority, at least among the outspoken.
And yes, I know they commonly drive deer and boar in Europe, but over there they have peons to do the driving.
Because of my own experience of once having seen a driver almost killed, I can't bring myself to agree that driving is a safe way to hunt. When I try visualize a safe way to drive deer, I always arrive at unsafe firing solutions. Yeah, there is blaze orange, but a bullet will travel farther than you can see in many situations.
I wish someone could do a diagram of a safe drive for me. Some things are better conveyed in images than words.
Aside from safety, I wonder if it's as rewarding to shoot a driven deer. Don't you have to share the credit and glory--let alone the meat--with ten or twenty other guys?
I suppose the camaraderie of a group hunt is a thing to put on the plus side of driving. But driving isn't the only way to group hunt.
My own favorite ways of hunting are still-hunting, spot-and-stalk, and calling. I will sit in a blind for hours if I have to, but it ain't my favorite.
The one thing I remain convinced of is that if I ever find myself on a deer drive, I'd rather be a gunner than a driver!
Jim It's rewarding in the fact that it puts meat on the table. If after glory, couldn't tell ya.
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Re: Driving deer is unsafe
[Re: James]
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10/28/19 12:23 PM
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Team credit or glory? Makes me wonder why people play team sports? I think it is dying ( if it is) because it may be harder to put together a team.
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