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Re: NAFA not accepting wild fur 2020 [Re: Actor] #6651132
10/28/19 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Actor
Originally Posted by Marty B


The bankers in canada.....with buildings full of market researchers.......think the reward isn't worth the risk.



Marty B … maybe the Bankers in Canada, just think NAFA isn't worth the risk. They still might back another company with good business practices and a financial stability.

Garry-






that's a fair point.



but a good deal of the financial stability comes from having an actual market for the fur, and forecastable future mkt.

Re: NAFA not accepting wild fur 2020 [Re: Michigan Trappin] #6651145
10/28/19 08:14 AM
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i Mean you could just have a sale where the stuff sells, buyers pay, sellers get payed, and the auctions takes their fee and doesn’t run a half (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) ponzy scheme financing other things with sellers money.


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Re: NAFA not accepting wild fur 2020 [Re: Michigan Trappin] #6651179
10/28/19 08:48 AM
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if you think there is no bad juju goin on in the 100 or so tiny fur auctions across the country,Wayne Derrick and i have a bridge in New Mexico we will sell ya. ;)been travellin to them in PA and NY for close to 30 yrs and ya see some stuff.









Re: NAFA not accepting wild fur 2020 [Re: walleyed] #6651227
10/28/19 09:55 AM
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After our recent Election in October, we would gladly let you take Ottawa and the clown that Eastern Canada blindly put back in Office. Come and get him. Western Canada won't stop you. smile

Re: NAFA not accepting wild fur 2020 [Re: pcr2] #6651297
10/28/19 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by pcr2
if you think there is no bad juju goin on in the 100 or so tiny fur auctions across the country,Wayne Derrick and i have a bridge in New Mexico we will sell ya. ;)been travellin to them in PA and NY for close to 30 yrs and ya see some stuff.

I think if I felt that way about fur auctions I would stop going to them. I have no clue what kind of "bad juju" you seem to think goes on, but I am wonder what you are hoping for with all your negative posts about auctions. Are you a small country buyer that could make a killing if you didn't have any competition? I would bet you have post more on the NAFA threads than any other person, and have never said a thing good.


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Re: NAFA not accepting wild fur 2020 [Re: MJM] #6651567
10/28/19 07:48 PM
10/28/19 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by MJM
Originally Posted by pcr2
if you think there is no bad juju goin on in the 100 or so tiny fur auctions across the country,Wayne Derrick and i have a bridge in New Mexico we will sell ya. ;)been travellin to the m in PA and NY for close to 30 yrs and ya see some stuff.

I think if I felt that way about fur auctions I would stop going to them. I have no clue what kind of "bad juju" you seem to think goes on, but I am wonder what you are hoping for with all your negative posts about auctions. Are you a small country buyer that could make a killing if you didn't have any competition? I would bet you have post more on the NAFA threads than any other person, and have never said a thing good.



P.A. has a closed to out of staters auction system unless you pay a buyers license fee to buy fur in that state.

So there is no free market there and buyers get fur for pennies on the dollar with no real competition.

This situation is bad for the fur market industry, and really, really bad for the P.A. trapper

New York State, on the other hand, requires no Fur Buyers license from anyone and is even open to Buyers

from Pennsylvania....Go Figure !!! laugh

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Re: NAFA not accepting wild fur 2020 [Re: lee steinmeyer] #6651574
10/28/19 07:57 PM
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Does anyone see this as an opportunity for some new blood or money or individuals in this down market? It would be much less costly to when fur is cheap, now the real question are we in a glut that will rebound in 2-3 years or are we in a major change in the fur market be it overall demand and or specific species etc. I don't know enough about the cyclic history of the trade for the last say 30 years and also what trends are gaining in popularity now and i the near term. It seems to me that when fur garments and trim get as low prices as they are now even upper income middle class individuals don't find fur a status symbol.

If there were and are indeed significant production based loans to producers that helped increase production and those are no longer issued then ranch supply could fall considerably and soon.

Bryce

Re: NAFA not accepting wild fur 2020 [Re: Michigan Trappin] #6651585
10/28/19 08:06 PM
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I think production of ranch mink stated falling about 2 seasons ago. Picked up steam last season.

As far as new opportunities, I’m not sure. Seems like a logically conclusion it would happen but not sure it will. It would have to be some one with deep pockets and the contacts internationally to make it work.


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Re: NAFA not accepting wild fur 2020 [Re: bblwi] #6651593
10/28/19 08:14 PM
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After seeing how things have shaken out for wild fur producers and how trappers have been treated

these last four years or so, It's not hard to Imagine a case for a Mink Rancher tainted NAFA board of directors

purposely suppressing wild fur while instead promoting only ranch fur products only.

I wonder if the Russians can find the NAFA CEO, and Board of Directors E-mail chains

and do a cyber-forensic analysis to see if NAFA schemed and plotted to purposely kill off wild fur.

After what has happened in recent months, nothing would surprise me now.

All in my mind warped opinion, of course. laugh

w


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Re: NAFA not accepting wild fur 2020 [Re: Michigan Trappin] #6651666
10/28/19 09:22 PM
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Fur Harvesters just put out a press release on their site. http://furharvesters.com/pdf/pressreleaseOCT28.pdf

It appears as though they're up for the challenge.

Re: NAFA not accepting wild fur 2020 [Re: Catpincher] #6651704
10/28/19 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Catpincher
Trapping season is about to get underway and not a peep out of FHA through all of this publicly, although taking the high road is commendable. You would think they would be adding a sale date or two and giving a market forecast. Gopher Everett?

Now that's funny right there. I don't care who you are.
It adds absolutely nothing to the prior statements, nor does it relate to the topic whatsoever, yet somehow it is the perfect paragraph book end.
It has been my personal experience that adding, "You stole from my kin!" at the end of statements just encourages bitterness among conversationalists.
I may begin using your literary enhancer on a regular basis while conversing publicly.
And for that, I thank you.

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Last edited by 52Carl; 10/28/19 09:57 PM.
Re: NAFA not accepting wild fur 2020 [Re: Michigan Trappin] #6651737
10/28/19 10:29 PM
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I imagine the Chinese will buy.up the failed company.
Their profit margin would be huge.
Then they will control.much.of the world market first hand.

Re: NAFA not accepting wild fur 2020 [Re: Michigan Trappin] #6651764
10/28/19 10:52 PM
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Wonder where the pickup guys will get their good fur this year smile


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Re: NAFA not accepting wild fur 2020 [Re: Michigan Trappin] #6651767
10/28/19 10:53 PM
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Good one Snowpa.

Re: NAFA not accepting wild fur 2020 [Re: Michigan Trappin] #6651782
10/28/19 11:08 PM
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I might be completely off on my thinking but the dues alone should be enough to prove to any bank the underlying interest and support. I believe theirs a few chapters in this story we don't get to see!


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Re: NAFA not accepting wild fur 2020 [Re: Michigan Trappin] #6651788
10/28/19 11:19 PM
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What does the Wild fur Council at NAFA do? Isn't that made of large scale trappers and buyers. Don't they have any say or do they just pay NAFA money for a Figure head for their letterhead. I also think there is a conversion of property involved here... which could possibly be a felony. or the threat of a law suite. I can't believe that people with hundreds or maybe thousand of dollars worth of fur, deteriorating in NAFA coolers is not worth some action or at least some serious investigation, even on a group level or check into the federal statutes. As I said I don't have a dog in this fight, nor the money to pursue it. But everyone seems be sucking it up and backing down, Letting a bunch of crooks run all over you and rob you blind. I don't want to have to pass out red ribbons to some you for you man buns.

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Re: NAFA not accepting wild fur 2020 [Re: Michigan Trappin] #6651799
10/28/19 11:29 PM
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The WFSC does not control the board. NAFA created it to give trappers some kind of voice. Not control. It is made up of representatives from different regions of North America. Members elect these representatives. Mine was Pete Wise from B.C. the last I knew when I was still a member. I think they have control of how the wild fur promotion money is spent. The WFSC owns some percentage of the company.


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Re: NAFA not accepting wild fur 2020 [Re: Michigan Trappin] #6652061
10/29/19 10:21 AM
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Following. Hoping FHA can do well this year for the trappers.

Re: NAFA not accepting wild fur 2020 [Re: conibearguy] #6652085
10/29/19 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by conibearguy
Following. Hoping FHA can do well this year for the trappers.


They will do better with out nafas attempt to sabotage their sales, like they have done in the past. If you paid attention, just hours before the May FHA auction, the buyers and brokers were in their rooms at North Bay, and nafa sent them a "press release" that all of a suddun, they had added vast amounts of coon and coyotes to their cataloges for their sale just a few days later. It worked too, because we didn't have near the prices paid compared to our Mar sale or just the year earlier. They always tried to pull some stunt and underhanded stuff on fur harvesters. That example is the one most recent in my memory!


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Re: NAFA not accepting wild fur 2020 [Re: Michigan Trappin] #6652092
10/29/19 11:25 AM
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"Prior to the start of our auction we received well wishes and encouraging messages from most of the world’s auction houses as we most often always do days prior to our auctions. At times like this when the market is struggling it is so very much appreciated as we all are in the same boat. However the evening of our auction we started receiving messages from a great many of the buyers that had already arrived here in North Bay. The message was the same, a document released from a competitor stating that their offering the morning of May 23rd had increased on several species. In particular MUSKRAT had increased from 90,000 to 208,265 and raccoon had increased from 252,000 to 424,694 in just 12 hours. This was sent to our buyers the evening prior to our auction. In both cases the quantities more than doubled and questions of where this volume could come from was paramount as this much volume was not even produced the past few years. The timing of this tactic was not well received by the great number of buyers forwarding it to us. However the morning of the 25th we began the beaver sale and when concluded we realized an increase of 30% over our March auction in Finland. Muskrat price levels increased with very strong clearances. Our coyote auction surpassed March levels and we succeeded in hitting a top of $140.00 US once again for Eastern Coyotes."

I remembered. Story is a little off, but the accusation is true.


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