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Apparently keeping notes is a bad thing #6652615
10/29/19 09:35 PM
10/29/19 09:35 PM
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Ok guys wanna know your opinion on this and also gonna vent a little bit sorry if it sound like I'm whining but I'm not trying to.

So I recently got a welding position in the maintenance sectoin at work . Well do alot of various things from making wood casings for the windows to building pallets to of course fixing machines. Well with all this of course comes alot of measurements and procedures. Problem is I have a bad memory. If I go take a measurement in the framing section and walk back to the shop within a few minutes I'm either going to forget or mix the numbers up. Same can go if I take a piece of machinery apart if I'm not careful I'll mix all the bolts and such up. I get it im 21 and shouldnt be that bad but the fact of the matrer is i am. I understand this and that's why I try to keep notes and reminders. At work I always have a smaller write in the rain notebook a pen,pencil and two sharpie markers with me. If I'm taking some machinery apart I'll number all the bolts and there associated holes. Really dosent take any extra time at all and keeps me from sitting there for an extra 30 min trying to figure out what goes where. Or if I'm welding a cart together I'll lable all the cut material so if everything gets mixed up somehow I can just match a #1 leg to the #1 position on the main bar.
If there is a certain procedure for working say the glue pump I'll take some fast notes such as
1. Disconnect main line a
2. Shut off side air supply
3. Lift pump arm manually
4. Remove and replace barrel
5. Cut on side air
6. Reconnect main line
* make sure to date new glue drum.

Or with the wood frames we make we don't just get a regular measurement. We get a call and they say they need say 4 2850's and 7 3070 made out of P6 board. And the 2850 or 3070 isn't somthing you can just convert you have to know a 2850 is 35.75" long and 54.25 wide.so if you don't know your gonna have to walk a few minutes across the factory measure everything then come back to the shop And build them And theirs ALOT of these profiles. But their all constant. A CF2 2850 is almost always this measurement and so on. So since it's been slow and we only get a few very morning I've been taking my time a writing down all the constant profiles and their measurements. So when we have a busy day I'll have all my measurements right in my hand and all it need to know is how many of each to make. Just scrible down how many of each profile and what wood to use and I can cross reference my profile list get the measurement and not even leave the shop . I do the same on what wood is what,how to rip down each type of wood and so on. It usually ends up looing like this.
Wood wrap around profiles :

4050 CF2 L=38" W=52 1/4"

3028 W2O L=40 3/4" W= 20"

Takes less than a few seconds write this down in my notebook and it's actually been working very well.
In my mind going ahead and trying to do all of this now while it's pretty slow and I can just makes sense and writing notes incase none of the other maintenance guys are their to help or if I forget just seems the most efficient thing to do. I mean. Most carpenters have a blue book that works in much the same fashion

However the guy training me right now hates it. He's been there for the last 15 or so years and has basically remembered everything. Deal is though he says due to my age their should be no reason I should be wasting time taking notes. I should just remember. If I call put a profile number he can give me the measurement off his head but basically refuse to tell me more than just that one at any given tim. Constantly complains that I'm wasting time and my note book will not help me on a busy day or id hes not there and if I just learn to use a tape measure I'll be better off ( which goes over my head because I know how to use a tape ,if I didn't how could I cut the wood to make the frames lol ) He's constantly try to tell me how on a busy we have to push frames out as fast as possible and have all the measurements will be worthless ( which makes no logical sense to me ).
I really tried to explain why I do what I do but to him it just boils down to I should remember and he extra few seconds I'm taking now to write all this down is just slowing everything down.

So again sorry if it souds like I'm being a cry baby here ( no need for a paragraph on how soft and worthless my generation is I get it ). But if you had so.one who where training and had problems remembering would you discourage them taking a few extra seconds while it's slow to take notes espically if they feel it will help them work faster dowm the road.

Last edited by Wolfdog91; 10/29/19 09:37 PM.
Re: Apparently keeping notes is a bad thing [Re: Wolfdog91] #6652631
10/29/19 09:51 PM
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Your lead forgot it took him years to burn that info into his head. Writing notes helps with memorization, continue what you are doing! After a while those notes will not be needed.

Re: Apparently keeping notes is a bad thing [Re: Wolfdog91] #6652636
10/29/19 09:54 PM
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never had a job in my life where there wasn't some tension with a fellow employee or two

I know doesn't help much but we all been there

I guess he will have to decide if he wants to baby sit you or let you make your notes and get your work done. there is always the chance he feels his job is threatened because they hired another man.


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Re: Apparently keeping notes is a bad thing [Re: Wolfdog91] #6652640
10/29/19 09:58 PM
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Build your cheat sheets and work on memorizing. a couple of hints... Small notebook like a Moleskine Brand (they have graph sheets or lined or plain) Mark the front and Organize it so that it takes seconds to DOUBLE CHECK YOUR WORK.

I would have no problems with a quick note of your spec numbers and double checking your notes prior to cutting.

if asked about it You are double checking.

Re: Apparently keeping notes is a bad thing [Re: danny clifton] #6652641
10/29/19 10:00 PM
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Good trainers understand that everyone has a preferred way of learning and use that method with the individual. I am no expert, but have successfully trained hundreds of people in multiple roles within my company.

Re: Apparently keeping notes is a bad thing [Re: Wolfdog91] #6652642
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Keep taking notes and learning your job. Dont argue with him. He will get over it.


"Common sense is always the least common of sense."
Re: Apparently keeping notes is a bad thing [Re: danny clifton] #6652660
10/29/19 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
never had a job in my life where there wasn't some tension with a fellow employee or two

I know doesn't help much but we all been there

I guess he will have to decide if he wants to baby sit you or let you make your notes and get your work done. there is always the chance he feels his job is threatened because they hired another man.
i really hope he makes up his mind soon . Military taught me how to work with alot of different types of folks under alot of different conditions but leads who forcefully hold your hand is somthing I have a problem with. I used to hers your job ,here's the basics do it till I till you to stop. This guy legit stands directly over me anytime i do somthing outside my welding area. He will snatch tools from my hand and tell me to move so he can do it himself if I say drop the wrench or not have the ratchet set to loosen. It's irritating more than anything because I end up just standing around trying to watch what he's doing. The idea of letting me work by my self on simple things while him and the other guy go work on somthing else seems to be a completely foreign concept to him. Basically if it's not his way and fast it's wrong

Re: Apparently keeping notes is a bad thing [Re: Wolfdog91] #6652664
10/29/19 10:31 PM
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If you were working for me, I would want you to take notes, especially if you need them. You are doing it the right way for the business.

Keith

Re: Apparently keeping notes is a bad thing [Re: Wolfdog91] #6652666
10/29/19 10:33 PM
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Keeping doing what you're doing. You'll be his boss soon enough.

Re: Apparently keeping notes is a bad thing [Re: Wolfdog91] #6652671
10/29/19 10:39 PM
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Re: Apparently keeping notes is a bad thing [Re: Wolfdog91] #6652685
10/29/19 10:58 PM
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A wise man (my son) taught me “slow is steady, and steady is fast “. Like you if I don’t take notes I’ll never remember. And I have discovered that a smart phone camera helps a lot when disassembling something that won’t go back together for a while

Re: Apparently keeping notes is a bad thing [Re: Wolfdog91] #6652691
10/29/19 11:01 PM
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after 40 years as a millwright I still took notes saved a lot of steps he's just lording over you every shop has an A, No doesn't stand for alpha


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Re: Apparently keeping notes is a bad thing [Re: Wolfdog91] #6652697
10/29/19 11:09 PM
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I wish the helpers I train would try that hard. I kid you not I’m surprised that some of them remember to breathe, let alone read a tape. Don’t worry about that guy. He’s just one of those guys that wants to micromanage everything


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Re: Apparently keeping notes is a bad thing [Re: Wolfdog91] #6652702
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I always took notes when I started a new job with new parameters. When I owned my own business or when I had a position I was responsible for others … I always told them to take notes … if you don't, you get the opportunity to ask me about it 2 times … the third time you ask me, you will need to get a job someplace else, because you will be fired. I also told new employees …" I can be one of two types of people … first I can be a supervisor ask you to do something, or I can be a boss and order you to do something. The first option I ask and you do … the second option … If you don't do …. you are out of a job. It is your choice."

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Re: Apparently keeping notes is a bad thing [Re: Wolfdog91] #6652706
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Keep on writing things down. I still do it and I am 60 years old. Writing something down instills it better in you mind than just doing it or reading it. You are an amazing you man who will have all these dimensions memorized quicker than he ever did because of the methods you are using.


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Re: Apparently keeping notes is a bad thing [Re: Wolfdog91] #6652745
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Dont worry about it! You aint going to get fired for good note taking skills...and if you do...well you need a new place to work anyways!

Re: Apparently keeping notes is a bad thing [Re: Wolfdog91] #6652746
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keep doing what works for you.
That guy has other issues I'll bet. It doesn't really matter what you do, he'll probably find something to B' about. Just be polite but keep at it, if you're working like you describe, I'll bet somebody above him has already noticed, and appreciates it.

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Re: Apparently keeping notes is a bad thing [Re: Wolfdog91] #6652768
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keep doing what your doing ,I did for 35 years smile

Re: Apparently keeping notes is a bad thing [Re: CoonsBane] #6652771
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Originally Posted by CoonsBane
Keeping doing what you're doing. You'll be his boss soon enough.

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Re: Apparently keeping notes is a bad thing [Re: Wolfdog91] #6652773
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If it works for you doing the way you been,keep doing it . Do not worry about what the other says about take notes and all ,I do it all the time no matter what. Because something always will come up that throw you off from what you where thinking.


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