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Re: Terminology Matters? [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6655008
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Which is essentially what is going on.

I feel it's nothing but an effort to influence 20/20 election. These guys are so far outside the president's that have been set its laughable! But they own the media. And the useful idiots will swallow it hook line and sinker.

In turn influencing vote in 20/20

Re: Terminology Matters? [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6655010
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Lol

And there has been an investigation going on for over 3 years. Rumor is there was no collusion!


This impeachment thing is all coming from 3rd hand info from a guy who is a registered Democrat that was coached by shifty himself!!

Re: Terminology Matters? [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6655036
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Article 1, section 3,paragraph 6 of the Constitution states that the Senate shall have the sole power to try all impeachments.
The House will not draw any articles of impeachment since doing so would kick things to the Senate.
An actual trial might expose truths that the Democrats would rather remain suppressed.
The only thing that the House has voted on so far is the process by which they will continue to deny due process.


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Re: Terminology Matters? [Re: Nelly] #6655047
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Originally Posted by Nelly
Article 1, section 3,paragraph 6 of the Constitution states that the Senate shall have the sole power to try all impeachments.
The House will not draw any articles of impeachment since doing so would kick things to the Senate.
An actual trial might expose truths that the Democrats would rather remain suppressed.
The only thing that the House has voted on so far is the process by which they will continue to deny due process.


I think they'll try to impeach him, but I think they waste time all the way up until the election. Obviously he won't get convicted in the Senate though. He'll probably be more popular after the impeachment; bill Clinton was more popular after his impeachment.

Re: Terminology Matters? [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6655099
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With the stress they are putting themselves under during these proceedings I wouldnít be surprised if more of the elderly members donít pass before itís all said and done.


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Re: Terminology Matters? [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6655130
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Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
With the stress they are putting themselves under during these proceedings I wouldnít be surprised if more of the elderly members donít pass before itís all said and done.


Especially if they've hacked off the Clintons.

Re: Terminology Matters? [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6655146
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They are either testing Waters in senate for support behind closed doors with intention of following through and/or its all an elaborate hoax to undermine his popularity in 20/20?

I don't see any other strat that benefits them with this clown show?


Any dem that voted yes on that fake vote the other day that is up for reelection in states that Trump won is done! They will not win reelection.

DEM's went all in with this stunt.

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Re: Terminology Matters? [Re: brianmall] #6655179
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Originally Posted by brianmall
Originally Posted by loosegoose
You need proof of a crime before you can investigate q crime?!?! Oh boy. I guess I've been confused about this the whole time.



Impeachment isn't only investigation! It's a conviction

But yes

In a lot of these "political" non-crime, crimes. There must 1st be a crime committed.

Otherwise, the opposition party would simply file law suit after law suit in turn preventing president from doing job.

The House of Representatives votes on impeachment. They need absolutely no sound reason to impeach. All they need is 51% of the votes from the full House of Representatives to impeach.
The Senate votes whether to convict and remove, or not.
They are two separate processes.

This entire catastrophe has been brought about by a very desperate political party.
They know that they cannot beat Trump in 2020.
With Trump running in 2020, the Republicans are in position to retake the House and possibly a super majority in the Senate.
What would you do as an unethical, desperate leader of the House of Representatives under similar circumstances?
My prediction is that the House will impeach, the Senate will not convict, and Trump will be re-elected in 2020.
I am still on the fence about what to predict for the Senate and House races.

Re: Terminology Matters? [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6655215
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Impeachment = charges. Not removal
The senate would have to then convict. Then he would be removed.
Why do you think that Trump wore himself out in the 2018 elections stumping for SENATORS.
It takes 2/3 vote in the senate to convict. Republicans control the senate. Democrats don't even have a majority.
The congress is cutting their own throats.
Trump will not be leaving and his voters will flock to the polls in 2020 to re-elect him!
Remember these congress folks and get rid of them when you can!

Re: Terminology Matters? [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6655306
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The impeachment has been ongoing since before the inauguration of the President.

One of the Squad was promising to Impeach the blank blanker at her election party.

Re: Terminology Matters? [Re: Horn] #6655310
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Originally Posted by Horn
The impeachment has been ongoing since before the inauguration of the President.

One of the Squad was promising to Impeach the blank blanker at her election party.



This is exactly were they lost all credibility!



Some people refuse to see the truth when you bludgeon them over the head with it.


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Re: Terminology Matters? [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6655370
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Originally Posted by 52Carl
Originally Posted by brianmall
[quote=loosegoose]You need proof of a crime before you can investigate q crime?!?! Oh boy. I guess I've been confused about this the whole time.


Impeachment isn't only investigation! It's a conviction

But yes

In a lot of these "political" non-crime, crimes. There must 1st be a crime committed.

Otherwise, the opposition party would simply file law suit after law suit in turn preventing president from doing job.

The House of Representatives votes on impeachment. They need absolutely no sound reason to impeach. All they need is 51% of the votes from the full House of Representatives to impeach.
The Senate votes whether to convict and remove, or not.
They are two separate processes.

This entire catastrophe has been brought about by a very desperate political party.
They know that they cannot beat Trump in 2020.
With Trump running in 2020, the Republicans are in position to retake the House and possibly a super majority in the Senate.
What would you do as an unethical, desperate leader of the House of Representatives under similar circumstances?
My prediction is that the House will impeach, the Senate will not convict, and Trump will be re-elected in 2020.
I am still on the fence about what to predict for the Senate and House races.



Yes

But no vote has been held to make it official. The vote was only for the "process to be followed". Yet they are acting as if they have voted to make inqirery official. And to do that would allow for cross examinations of witnesses and evidence by the accused.

So, if they do moved forward from this point? Without allowing a citizen their right to due process, day in court, and to be able to face accusers? Then it is a coup and unconstitutional.

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If it goes to senate from here? It is unconstitutional because the accused have not had the opportunity to defend themselves.

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The house does not have the right to just impeach a sitting President for no good reason other than he doesn't answer to them.

That doesn't even make sense!

We hold an election =. Opposition party impeaches. (that's chaotic and silly at best). That's not house the system is intended to be used!

Corrupt and ignorant people are doing that!

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I think the D's want to diminish Trump as much as they can.
They better watch out tho.

1) Barr and Dunhams investigation into the origins of Muellers Russia hoax/investigation has turned into a Criminal investigation

2) IG Horrowitz's report on FISA abuse by the FBI and the DOJ is coming, I would bet there will be criminality revealed in it.

While the impeachment is sounding more like a circus every day these 2 things are serious and hopefully people will end up in jail.
Any charges filed by Barr and Dunham will make the D's look bad.
Maybe the D's are racing to Impeach before the crap hits the fan?

Re: Terminology Matters? [Re: brianmall] #6655391
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Originally Posted by brianmall


But no vote has been held to make it official. The vote was only for the "process to be followed". Yet they are acting as if they have voted to make inqirery official. And to do that would allow for cross examinations of witnesses and evidence by the accused.

So, if they do moved forward from this point? Without allowing a citizen their right to due process, day in court, and to be able to face accusers? Then it is a coup and unconstitutional.

They don't have to vote to make an impeachment inquiry official. They get to do it however they want. Voting to make it official is just a nicety that they do because it's tradition, but there is no Constitutional requirement to do so. Rules that apply to citizens facing criminal charges don't apply to a president facing impeachment. You've got to remember that. It's perfectly constitutional for the House to impeach without ever talking to the president or allowing him to face his accuser. All they're required to do is draw up articles of impeachment and approve them with a 51% majority of the representatives present.

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Originally Posted by brianmall
If it goes to senate from here? It is unconstitutional because the accused have not had the opportunity to defend themselves.

The house is not required to give him a chance to defend himself. Rules like that don't apply. If he is impeached, then he'll get a chance to defend himself when the senate holds a trial.

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The House already had to change procedural rules beforehand specifically for this circus.
It was all a premeditated set-up. The Shciff Dossier was manufactured by lawyers, not the whistle-blower.


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Originally Posted by loosegoose
Originally Posted by brianmall
If it goes to senate from here? It is unconstitutional because the accused have not had the opportunity to defend themselves.

The house is not required to give him a chance to defend himself. Rules like that don't apply. If he is impeached, then he'll get a chance to defend himself when the senate holds a trial.


That's not precedent.

Bunch of fascist liberal hog wash is what that is!


They should all be brought up on charges of fraud waste and abuse!

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No crime!
No proof!
Wasted tax payer dollars!
They are doing nothing other than trying to out a duely ELECTED president! Which is more wasted time and tax payer dollars!
They have and are ruining people lives in the process! Which is unwarranted search and seizure! Because there has been no crime! They opened an investigation into this President, lied to the fisa court, and have literally tortured American citizens for no reason other than to try and dig up dirt on trump!

It's all illegal, fraud, waste, abuse of power, and treasonous!

These clowns should even be allowed to see light of day let alone impeach a president!

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