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Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Actor] #6654970
11/01/19 06:16 PM
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Q. I am interested in purchasing the Company's assets, who should I contact?

A. You should contact either the Receiver and/or the Trustee (if one has been appointed) to determine who has the right to realize upon the assets. You can also check this website for information on the sale of assets.


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Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: nimzy] #6654979
11/01/19 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by nimzy
Originally Posted by huntrap247
Latest e-mail from my agent;


[This is a summary of Tuesday’s conference call, with the receiving agents from across the US and Canada, with Doug Lawson (CEO) and Rob Cahill (VP). Roughly seventy five percent of NAFA operations is ranch mink and twenty percent is wild fur. There is no separation of monies - all income is in one pot and all expenses are paid from the same pot. Ranch mink operations and unpaid auction purchases have hurt the company.



Here is a summary of that call:

1. NAFA no longer exists as a functioning fur auction operation. SAGA (European Ranch Mink) will now market what used to be NAFA Ranch Mink. NAFA Wild Fur will no longer exists.

2. A skeleton crew will remain in Toronto, Canada and Stoughton, Wisconsin to help with liquidation and closure (1 - 2 years).




I find the contrary statements interesting. Everything lumped together, prior to liquidation, till SAGA stepped in. By leaving the wild fur did they leave the liability?



I got the word on the 24th that the SAGA deal fell through and NAFA was going to be liquidated. They were just B.S.ing trappers after that date.


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Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Actor] #6655000
11/01/19 06:50 PM
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Since Saga wanted nothing to do with the wild fur division to help us out,maybe we should start working with the anti's to crush the factory farmed fur,as opposed to happy and healthy free range wild fur.


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Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Actor] #6655032
11/01/19 07:33 PM
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Their advances got us in this mess as far as I'm concerned!!


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Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: nimzy] #6655037
11/01/19 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by nimzy
Originally Posted by huntrap247
Latest e-mail from my agent;


[This is a summary of Tuesday’s conference call, with the receiving agents from across the US and Canada, with Doug Lawson (CEO) and Rob Cahill (VP). Roughly seventy five percent of NAFA operations is ranch mink and twenty percent is wild fur. There is no separation of monies - all income is in one pot and all expenses are paid from the same pot. Ranch mink operations and unpaid auction purchases have hurt the company.



Here is a summary of that call:

1. NAFA no longer exists as a functioning fur auction operation. SAGA (European Ranch Mink) will now market what used to be NAFA Ranch Mink. NAFA Wild Fur will no longer exists.

2. A skeleton crew will remain in Toronto, Canada and Stoughton, Wisconsin to help with liquidation and closure (1 - 2 years).




I find the contrary statements interesting. Everything lumped together, prior to liquidation, till SAGA stepped in. By leaving the wild fur did they leave the liability?


I'm sure they left the liability.


"Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon". Milton Friedman.
Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Actor] #6655050
11/01/19 08:06 PM
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Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Steven 49er] #6655057
11/01/19 08:26 PM
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The class Action Lawsuit looks a lot better idea than doing nothing. That was one of the first things I thought about when my checks bounced. I did say checks not check.. I am with Terry on this matter if it is the correct way to proceed. We might even own a share of NAFA.
There may have to be some kind of lawsuit between the wild fur council members and NAFA also.

Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Boco] #6655060
11/01/19 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Boco
Since Saga wanted nothing to do with the wild fur division to help us out,maybe we should start working with the anti's to crush the factory farmed fur,as opposed to happy and healthy free range wild fur.
....brilliant ideal!!!! I hope it works better than C+T did lol

Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Actor] #6655067
11/01/19 08:39 PM
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C+T is more important now than ever in the fur industry.
We are lucky to have it in place.


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Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: don Wolf] #6655070
11/01/19 08:43 PM
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This whole NAFA thing has a bad smell to it....I have no fur up there, but they really threw trappers of WILD fur under the bus on this one. I personally believe you and Terry are spot on . Somebody find a good lawyer.

Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Boco] #6655073
11/01/19 08:50 PM
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[quote=Boco]C+T is more important now than ever in the fur industry.
We are lucky to have it in place.[/quote/].......yeah lol

Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Actor] #6655074
11/01/19 08:53 PM
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And so goes trying to appease the anti's, once again. NAFA led us all to believe that if we just went along with certifying this and that, all would be rosy. It was a distraction. Trappers became a burden to the selling of NAFA backed ranch fur. They gambled on the fantasy that fur prices would just keep going through the stratosphere, and they, (corporate pinheads), would cut a fat cow.
Now, everyone loses.


Made it almost 3 years without censor!

Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: cattails] #6655075
11/01/19 08:55 PM
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I shipped about 75% of my fur to NAFA since 2005 and felt that I did well by their auctions for the most part. When this started to unravel there were so many wild comments from many of us on this forum and elsewhere. I received memos from NAFA that have turned out to be very contrary to the outcome stated above. It really does not matter much now if there was unwillingness to state the seriousness of their situation or they did not know how deep of a hole they were in, but we can all see now how this played out. From my experience in working with foreclosures and bankruptcies in the past 2-3 months is an extremely fast closing which to me means that NAFA may have been having liquidity and collateral issues some time ago and by that I don't mean months. I have read many of the post and find many of the forum responses to be disturbing even with the outcome we have.
I am grateful for those firms and individuals who have maintained a very professional and helpful approach to helping all of us move forward and find new outlets for our wild fur.

Bryce

Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Actor] #6655076
11/01/19 08:58 PM
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You really don't understand how important C+T is to the industry unless you sell finished fur articles to the public.I explain it to customers all the time and it is easy with wild fur.
Thank goodness FHA,our only wild fur big international auction has Furmark(their C+T) in place.


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Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Actor] #6655086
11/01/19 09:05 PM
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I have as much interest in trying to appease the animal rights crowd as I have in appeasing the no private firearms crowd. C and T is just another step toward having people that cant skin a dressed chicken bought in the grocery store, make the rules we have to abide by.


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Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Actor] #6655090
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§21. Right of public to hunt, fish and trap wildlife. The people have the right to hunt, fish and trap, including by the use of traditional methods, subject to reasonable laws and regulations that promote wildlife conservation and management and that preserve the future of hunting and fishing. Public hunting and fishing shall be a preferred means of managing and controlling wildlife. This section shall not be construed to modify any provision of law relating to trespass, property rights or water resources


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Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Actor] #6655127
11/01/19 09:54 PM
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I agree

Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Boco] #6655132
11/01/19 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Boco
You really don't understand how important C+T is to the industry unless you sell finished fur articles to the public.I explain it to customers all the time and it is easy with wild fur.
Thank goodness FHA,our only wild fur big international auction has Furmark(their C+T) in place.
..........nothing more than smoke and mirrors! I understand the advertising end of it very well! just tell them what they want to hear and they will buy it.

Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Actor] #6655133
11/01/19 09:58 PM
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^^^^ hogwash,If you think its about appeasing antis your an idiot.
It is about our customers.Antis don't buy fur and it would be a waste of time trying.

Last edited by Boco; 11/01/19 10:00 PM.

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Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Actor] #6655143
11/01/19 10:10 PM
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it is not about appeasing antis however they do lie to comsumers to!...you just cant grasp that can you!! nafa smoke and mirrors for consumers, but let me guess nafa never lied to you either!

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