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Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Actor] #6655220
11/02/19 12:35 AM
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I'm back,skinned 3 beaver and boarded one.
All in fun.


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Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Actor] #6655224
11/02/19 12:41 AM
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Going to tan those beaver or send them to auction?

Chris


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Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Actor] #6655227
11/02/19 12:48 AM
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Chris,I ship the xl and up (no dmg)to auction.Small ones(not many)tan myself and the rest go to Winnipeg tannery.I make articles like hats ,mitts,and blankets,and also trade some up north for beadwork,which I sew into mitts. [Linked Image]
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Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Actor] #6655228
11/02/19 12:51 AM
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Very nice to market your furs as value added products! Make better money I bet!

Chris


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Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Actor] #6655231
11/02/19 12:59 AM
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Keeps trapping a money maker in times like these.People really like beaver fur as a utility article here.It is also a traditional fur used in this area because of its durability and warmth and it looks good.


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Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: 52Carl] #6655234
11/02/19 01:07 AM
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Originally Posted by 52Carl
My question is, why would SAGA take on the hot wet financial mess which NAFA is currently in? What will they get out of a corporation which is about to become completely liquidated and gone from North America? It doesn't make any sense.


Saga gets the opportunity to sell some of the best mink in the world. Plus they get the the labels. Labels like Blackglama are highly valued in the world of high fashion.

No one really knows all the details of the SAGA/NAFA agreement.


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Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Actor] #6655368
11/02/19 10:06 AM
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Brought up a good point Otis, how does a company that charges both seller and buyer end up going broke? Have to be a real idiot to lose money with that set up.


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Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Actor] #6655371
11/02/19 10:11 AM
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I don't get why they mailed those checks. Now I'm out a bad check fee too. Hard to believe the bank waited till they were mailed to tell nafa management they were going to bounce them. Even harder to believe that nafa mgt could not email people telling them not to cash or deposit checks. That alone should show the character of those involved to anyone interested. Wonder where they will pop up next?


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Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Actor] #6655377
11/02/19 10:19 AM
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Well said Danny. About sums it up.

Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Actor] #6655386
11/02/19 10:35 AM
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I have no dog in this hunt but if I did I would be finding attonery in Madison, Wisc by Monday to get a court order to freeze the assets in Wisc. before they leave the states.

Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Actor] #6655388
11/02/19 10:42 AM
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And who Is going to feed that Lawyer?


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Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Boco] #6655405
11/02/19 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Boco
You really don't understand how important C+T is to the industry unless you sell finished fur articles to the public.I explain it to customers all the time and it is easy with wild fur.
Thank goodness FHA,our only wild fur big international auction has Furmark(their C+T) in place.

Boco, you are a master at equivocation but not very good at making it stick.

Furmark's position on certification and traceability of wild fur is nothing like the NAFA’s trademarked – and now defunct – Certification and Traceability program.

Here is FHA's position on certification:

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Here was NAFA's Certified™ Wild Fur requirement (aka "NAFA Certified™ Ethical Sourcing Terms & Conditions"):

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The two could not be more different. Furmark doesn’t have a trademarked wild fur program that requires trappers to “declare their intentions to fulfill the requirements for fur certification and agree to the NAFA Certified™ Terms & Conditions”. Furmark respects the sovereignty of federal, state, and provincial rules that are in place – NAFA’s trademarked C+T program did not.

NAFA was pushing for a one-size-fits-all C+T program that they controlled based on the Canadian AIHTS model.

This is the one bright spot in NAFA’s demise. U.S. Trappers at least now don’t need to worry about declaring their fealty to a corporation and the European Union’s AIHTS agreement in order to sell their fur. In this sense, the Antis were just dealt a blow, a pretty big one at that.


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Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Actor] #6655413
11/02/19 11:24 AM
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Furmark is C+T,no different from all other C+T throughout the industry,only differences is how they are implemented by each company.
And in either case,our decision to force the Europeans to sign our international agreement on humane trapping standards instead of banning fur 25 years ago has been great boon for trappers.
Look at how restricted you are in the States when it comes to trapping due to antis compared to Canada which has no provincial trapping restrictions at all.
Our use of internationally accepted humane trapping standards has done us very well in having the public accept our industry here,and is a big part of why we have much less restrictive trapping laws here than you have down there.
And you being from Maine,preaching to me is a joke.You need to start doing something to help your own trappers.We are good here.

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Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Actor] #6655415
11/02/19 11:27 AM
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"Saga Furs and North American Fur Auctions (NAFA) have today entered into an agreement to work together to secure a stable selling channel for NAFA’s farmer customers both in Europe and North America. Utilizing its strong financial position Saga Furs will start financing some of NAFA’s farmer customers with immediate effect.
With this solution Saga Furs and NAFA aim to remove the recent uncertainty and provide farmers the possibility to sell their 2019 production through Saga Furs’ auctions. The combined offering will create the most versatile collection of different fur types available for the international market. The agreement is expected to substantially increase Saga Furs’ volume of high quality mink in 2020."


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Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Actor] #6655416
11/02/19 11:33 AM
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Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Actor] #6655418
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Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Actor] #6655422
11/02/19 11:47 AM
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Boco you keep saying how we're more restricted than you are. I can guarantee you the opposite is true as far as my state goes.


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Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Actor] #6655423
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Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Actor] #6655424
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How many days can you go on a trapcheck?


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