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Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Actor] #6655426
11/02/19 11:50 AM
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Only one, but if you went any longer than that down here, your fur would spoil anyways. Are there ANY traps you are not allowed to use? There's not here.


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Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Actor] #6655427
11/02/19 11:52 AM
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If nafa is broke trappers filing a lawsuit is almost a waste of time. Any proceeds from sales will go to secured creditors which we are not. The banks will get their money first which may very well be in the millions. If they have no money a lawsuit doesn't get you any money. You can't get blood from a turnip. I lost approximately 70 thousand in a deal similar.a company owed us for work completed and the state seized their property for unpaid taxes. The state and banks got all of the proceeds from the liquidation and I didnt get anything my lawyer was involved in the proceedings and advised me that they owed so much money to secured creditors that there was no chance that I would see any money. He said I could pay him to sue them but it would be a waste of money.


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Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Actor] #6655429
11/02/19 11:57 AM
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james bay frontierOnt.
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I just checked your regs yote.you got all kinds of trapping restrictions we don't have here.For example-you cant set traps within 100 feet of a road,your snares and bodygrips have to be half submerged,traps have to have tags,,and a bunch of other restrictions we don't have here.
The only trap we cannot use here is traps with teeth,and that is irrelevant as those traps are obsolete and have been for many years here with the development of better footholds.

Last edited by Boco; 11/02/19 12:00 PM.

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Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: yotetrapper30] #6655432
11/02/19 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by yotetrapper30
Only one, but if you went any longer than that down here, your fur would spoil anyways. Are there ANY traps you are not allowed to use? There's not here.


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Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Actor] #6655433
11/02/19 12:15 PM
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Every jurisdiction is going to have common sense regulations depending on human population density humaneness,to the animal etc.
The fact remains your trapping activities in the USA are far more restrictive and in fact outright prohibitive compared to here.
Americans are definitely in no position to preach to Canadians about trapping restrictions.We are golden here when it comes to trapping freedom.Thanks to generations of trappers that came before us like Ralph Bice,and Alcide Giroux,Frank Conibear and many others who spearheaded humane trapping 50 years ago,that led to the standards we now enjoy here for the betterment of trapping in the eyes of the general public,whose support and acceptance we need to continue in the profession.

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Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Actor] #6655435
11/02/19 12:16 PM
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As I said Beav I would it does not cost an arm and a leg to file for a court order.

Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Actor] #6655436
11/02/19 12:19 PM
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The entire season, here, (as to trap-check requirments).

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Made it almost 3 years without censor!

Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: pcr2] #6655437
11/02/19 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by pcr2
Angela,you can't have a battle of wits with an unarmed man. laugh

I am still waiting to see how you think the closing of NAFA is going to help wild fur.


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Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Actor] #6655439
11/02/19 12:25 PM
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Why not a 4 or 5 season before you check your traps?lol.
Our regs state it is illegal to allow trapped furbearers to spoil-a common sense regulation.No time limit in the Patricia portion for footholds(North of the E/W CNR line,where I operate)because of safety concerns to the trapper and remoteness.Daily in other parts of Ontario for live holding tools.

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Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Actor] #6655442
11/02/19 12:34 PM
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Boco, this is your reality with regard to footholds today. It will be the reality of every Canadian trapper in the very near future. Here in Maine, we don't have anything close to those type of restrictions. In fact, we can use almost every foothold trap sold here in the United States. You cannot because Phase 1 and 2 restraining traps are now mandatory in Ontario, Quebec, and New Brunswick (see Note 1 below under PHASE 2 - RESTRAINING TRAPS).

https://fur.ca/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Certified-Traps-List-FIC-August-1-2019-Eng-8-X-14.docx.pdf
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https://www.ontario.ca/page/trapping-ontario
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Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Actor] #6655443
11/02/19 12:36 PM
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I'll simplify Angela's question. Can you use any footholds to trap marten? If not, that is what is known as a restriction.


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Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Actor] #6655449
11/02/19 12:46 PM
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Yotes question was can we not use any type of trap here-the answer remains just toothed traps.I doubt there are any footholds used for marten in mississippi either.Footholds do not pass our trap testing requirements at Vegreville alberta for humaneness for marten.This was well known by trappers.They are also much less efficient in deep snow country.It is also not humane to set footholds in trees where animals hang for extended periods of time before death.Trappers respect the animals they trap and do not like to see animals suffer.So this is not a restriction imposed by anyone,it is a choice of responsible trappers.
It is not a restriction when trappers gave up footholds for marten when we had the better more efficient and humane alternative invented by a trapper.We had it made law to protect the industry from Neanderthals.

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Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Actor] #6655451
11/02/19 12:49 PM
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I couldn't care less who has more freedom to trap. Kansan's where trapping is a right or Ontario whose prime minister swears fealty to a foreign monarchy. I just know I am not going to try and appease anti trappers. Yes people who are demanding C and T are anti trapping. Else they would accept that me and 99.9 percent of north American trappers are not interested in torturing animals. That we strive to give trapped animals a quick death and as little trauma beforehand as possible. That trapping IS humane and benefits animal populations as well as humans. The fact they want us to do stupid stuff like provide more information than a license # is proof they suspect we are barbaric sadists or something. I say they can all go pee up a rope.


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Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Actor] #6655456
11/02/19 12:54 PM
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How come I knew I was going to get a lecture? smile


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Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Actor] #6655462
11/02/19 01:03 PM
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I thought this thread was about NAFA going out of business. This C&T issue has been beat to death before. Same arguement from the same poster. Let it go!!

Could we get back to the original topic. It was more important.


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Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Actor] #6655463
11/02/19 01:04 PM
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That is not true.
Most of my fur customers have no clue about trapping,they just like the fur.
If they happen to hear anti bull--- in the absence real life information from the harvester how are they supposet to know?
I have a scrapbook of catch pictures,showing the humane methods we use,official harvest reports from many many years showing the sustainability of the resource and the lifestyle we lead and how we care for our traplines over generations.
Not all retailers are trappers.It is important to be able to prove to our potential customers who live in the city and have no clue about wildlife that they can wear and enjoy the fur articles that they love so much without being guilted by the lying anti garbage.
C+T can accomplish this by providing factual information about the fur industry to those who don't know or have any feelings one way or the other.
It does us no good to sit back and allow the anti lies to go unchallenged.We really need to get our side-the truth-out to the public.
Other industries have been successful in implementing Certification and traceability in the raw material-logging,fishing-agriculture in third world countries etc,all which comes under attack from antis,not just the fur industry.


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Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Boco] #6655467
11/02/19 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Boco
I just checked your regs yote.you got all kinds of trapping restrictions we don't have here.For example-you cant set traps within 100 feet of a road,your snares and bodygrips have to be half submerged,traps have to have tags,,and a bunch of other restrictions we don't have here.
The only trap we cannot use here is traps with teeth,and that is irrelevant as those traps are obsolete and have been for many years here with the development of better footholds.



Not sure what regs you're reading but they're not mine. Our traps and snares do not need to be half submerged. We can set 330s on land if we want and no restrictions on snares. They do need tagged though.


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Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Actor] #6655476
11/02/19 01:21 PM
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In Montana we have fairly relaxed laws. The only law pertaining to checking traps is that you must check them in such a manner that animals trapped are not allowed to go to waste. As for trap restrictions, nothing with a jaw spread bigger than 9 inches on dry land sets, and snares must have breakaway hooks. Footholds must be center swiveled and have a minimum of 2 swivels. Traps must be tagged.


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Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Actor] #6655484
11/02/19 01:44 PM
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Any further updates from Nafa regarding what becomes of the wild fur in their warehouse?

Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Boco] #6655491
11/02/19 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Boco
Every jurisdiction is going to have common sense regulations depending on human population density humaneness,to the animal etc.
The fact remains your trapping activities in the USA are far more restrictive and in fact outright prohibitive compared to here.
Americans are definitely in no position to preach to Canadians about trapping restrictions.We are golden here when it comes to trapping freedom.Thanks to generations of trappers that came before us like Ralph Bice,and Alcide Giroux,Frank Conibear and many others who spearheaded humane trapping 50 years ago,that led to the standards we now enjoy here for the betterment of trapping in the eyes of the general public,whose support and acceptance we need to continue in the profession.
............no restrictions....none for usda,,,no mandatory trap check, no trap restrictions. m-44 and arerial gunning allowed, no bags limits no seasons.....but that is damage control work and that is where all trapping is headed if you and trappers like to continue to cave into the antis and organizations like the EU. you even suggested helping the antis crush ranch fur in an earlier post! brilliant!!! you have no ideal what free trapping is! don't forget to sew and knit the gueen some mittens so she will let you catch an extra beaver on your registered trapline and let your gov continue subsidized trapping!!!! lol as a gov trapper all I ever had to was put a USDA trap tag on trap and everything else was wide open!!!! I would reallyl hate to see all trapping come to that.

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