How did saga bail out mink ranchers? Basically saga took the blackglama name and said to the North American mink rancher we will allow you to sell your better mink with our poorer mink.

Most of you don't realize that a lot of mink ranchers are owed money too. Some up into the millions of dollars.

Nafa also invested a lot if money into Chinese fur shops thinking this train would run forever. Mink ranchers aren't at fault, it was poor investment decisions by nafa management.

I think the NAFA thing has been beat to death also. The people running it dropped the ball then lied about it. Next they lied again to the people who are owed money. I am 90% sure that all trapper fur will end up fire sold and the money will go to bankers. Don't know what else to say except I don't want anything to do with any future business any of them may get involved with

The NAFA situation is going to both help and hurt FHA.

Help - they will receive more fur than they did before this happened

Hurt - Trappers are going to be reluctant to ship fur any place where they loose control over it.

Country buyers and trappers sales are going to see more business because Trappers want to have cash in hand before they let go of their pelts.

NAFA and the banks and lawyers are supposed to make an announcement next week. I’m thinking it is not going to be what shippers want to hear.

I will let the statistics speak for themselves.
Canadian trappers are about 1\10 the number of American trappers,yet we produce half the fur in north America.Also no provincial bans on trapping all across the entire country.
Your lame arguments will never convince anyone who doesn't have a prejudice against Canadians that we are at any kind of disadvantage when it comes to fur harvesting.
I have no problem putting up good numbers of furs and use all the best tools necessary to do so.
And I agree with wissmiss,this subject is getting old.Trying to educate Americans about trapping in Canada is like trying to explain something to a Heinz pickle,lol.

Boco, you enjoy your system of trapping and we Americans enjoy our system of trapping. There's no need to impose either system on the other. So let's leave it at that. Capisce?

Boco - could you provide documentation that Canada produces half the fur in North America.

Half of what -
- number of pelts
- monetary value based on raw pelt price
- some other means of quantification.

Just curious. I like to see actual numbers not just broad statements.

Boco, here in the U.S. 10% of trappers produce 90% of the fur. Got a lot of kids buying a license, here in KS houndsmen hunt on the same license we trap on, got a lot of adults buying a license who just run a half dozen sets on the way to work, got guys trapping predators away from their chickens etc. So your statement, if accurate, is comparing apples to oranges.

Its in the fur management bible,wissmiss.
You must have acess to that comprehensive bible of the fur trade in North America.
I don't feel like looking it up right now.

2/3rds of the fur from canada comes from fur farming.

I’m not familiar with the “fur management bible”. Is that the official name of the book? If so, Ive never heard of it.

Must be something written in Canadian, which I don’t read.

There is only one book in the "fur management bible"----- The book of boco.

So what you are saying is the Board of Directors controlled by mink ranchers did not approve of these expenditures?

It gives percentages of animals by species between US and CAN harvests.



Anyone interested in professional fur management and conservation should be familiar with this publication.
Anyone with anything to do with the fur industry as a whole in fact.

"Wild Furbearer Management and Conservation in North America

1987 Copyright: by Milan Novak and others- This book examines all aspects of the biology and management of North American furbearers."

Maybe they update it?

Trapping in Canada is vastly different than trapping in the US. Most of Canada is a vast, empty wasteland. Canada's meager, insignificant population is mostly crammed up against the United States, like they are huddling to stay warm.



The United States is for the most part, in all the states but Alaska, a very well developed nation. Canada is mostly raw, underdeveloped, wilderness like Africa.

Keith

That was published in 1988.

It seems there are 2 conversations going on here. As regard to the NAFA issue. If they were taking profits from Wild fur to pay the failing fur farmers. Would that be considered a PONZI scheme...and is it criminal. ? and at what point is writing bad checks not criminal ?

There were 170,000 trappers in the U S the last time they counted way over half only trapped for a few days or weeks as a hobby. In Canada there were 60,000 to 70,000 most of whom made a portion or all of there income from trapping. Also the book you quoted is over 30 years old.

I need names to know who was on the board of directors to know if they were in fact mink ranchers. The final say always came down to Herman and mike. Seems mink ranchers owned the biggest share of nafa, but did they control the daily workings?