No Profanity *** No Flaming *** No Advertising *** No Anti Trappers ***NO POLITICS
No Non-Target Catches *** No Links to Anti-trapping Sites *** No Avoiding Profanity Filter


Home~Trap Talk~ADC Forum~Trap Shed~Wilderness Trapping~International Trappers~Fur Handling

Auction Forum~Trapper Tips~Links~Gallery~Basic Sets~Convention Calendar~Chat~ Trap Collecting Forum

Trapper's Humor~Strictly Trapping~Fur Buyers Directory~Mugshots~Fur Sale Directory~Wildcrafting~The Pen and Quill

Trapper's Tales~Words From The Past~Legends~Archives~Kids Forum~Lure Formulators Forum~ Fermenter's Forum


~~~ Dobbins' Products Catalog ~~~


Minnesota Trapline Products
Please support our sponsor for the Trappers Talk Page - Minnesota Trapline Products


Print Thread
Hop To
Page 30 of 33 1 2 28 29 30 31 32 33
Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Actor] #6657352
11/04/19 07:45 PM
11/04/19 07:45 PM
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 2,042
SE Kansas
K
K52 Offline
trapper
K52  Offline
trapper
K

Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 2,042
SE Kansas
I read the pdf of projected cash flow through Dec.13 and none of the money paid out by the "Applicant" in that period shows anything to do with wild fur shippers. It does mention paying everybody at NAFA. Looks like the promise of making the bad checks good in Oct. and then in Nov. was a lie. How anybody can still hold up for NAFA is beyond my comprehension.

Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: lumberjack391] #6657388
11/04/19 08:17 PM
11/04/19 08:17 PM
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 866
Indiana
cattails Offline
trapper
cattails  Offline
trapper

Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 866
Indiana
Originally Posted by yotetrapper30
I think when people say the "mink ranchers sunk NAFA", what they really mean is "the people in NAFA overextending the company to provide advances to the mink ranchers sunk NAFA".... which is pretty much exactly what you just said.


Originally Posted by lumberjack391
.……..and took down trappers with them


and.... carried on business as usual with another auction company.

while......dumping trappers as if they were part of the problem

Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Actor] #6657399
11/04/19 08:23 PM
11/04/19 08:23 PM
Joined: Feb 2019
Posts: 1,539
Saucier, Mississippi Harrison ...
T
turkn8rtrapper Offline
trapper
turkn8rtrapper  Offline
trapper
T

Joined: Feb 2019
Posts: 1,539
Saucier, Mississippi Harrison ...
I don't have skin in the game either but I sure do feel horrible for the trappers that got caught up in this. It's no different than any other scam. I doubt it started out that way and I suppose greed on the part of NAFA played a large role in it. The wild fur trappers no matter where they are were honest and believed that everything was fine and would go as planned. The company however knew what they were doing and to whom. The ranch fur industry played a part but not as the culprit. Yes the speculated on a market and the market went south. Those folks are in bankruptcy as well as they can't pay their bills either. Which means their suppliers that they bought from on credit are getting hammered too. It is a chain reaction. That's why it's called a pyramid scheme because when the one at the top pushes the eject button it all comes down like a house of cards with all the trappers and everyone else being the cards. The only unfortunate thing here is there probably won't be a proper investigation done to vet out criminal activity and non of the true scoundrels will be held to account whoever they are. SAGA buys up the ranch fur operations that they want which provides NAFA with some relief but when SAGA puts the hammer down on the ranchers they buy (who at this time think they are being rescued) by imposing their strict rules on them then they are going down too and SAGA wins. I'm actually glad that SAGA is not getting involved in North American wild fur. Again I hate for those that got stuck. I pray for all that they come out ok or better than ok. This is a good opportunity For all trappers to rally together. What these folks have done is despicable but no matter how angry we get it isn't going to change it. I understand venting though as sometimes I think we all do. I do believe that though they seem to gotten away with it for now there are two things I know. They have to live with it for the rest of their days especially when they look a fur trapper in the eye and sleep at night and somehow someway they will get in return what they have done to others. It won't happen at our hand or in our time table but it will come.


"Skin that smokewagon and see what happens"
Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: turkn8rtrapper] #6657450
11/04/19 08:56 PM
11/04/19 08:56 PM
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 8,459
Henderson, N.Y. Jefferson Co.
W
walleyed Online happy
trapper
walleyed  Online Happy
trapper
W

Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 8,459
Henderson, N.Y. Jefferson Co.
Originally Posted by turkn8rtrapper
I don't have skin in the game either but I sure do feel horrible for the trappers that got caught up in this. It's no different than any other scam. I doubt it started out that way and I suppose greed on the part of NAFA played a large role in it. The wild fur trappers no matter where they are were honest and believed that everything was fine and would go as planned. The company however knew what they were doing and to whom. The ranch fur industry played a part but not as the culprit. Yes the speculated on a market and the market went south. Those folks are in bankruptcy as well as they can't pay their bills either. Which means their suppliers that they bought from on credit are getting hammered too. It is a chain reaction. That's why it's called a pyramid scheme because when the one at the top pushes the eject button it all comes down like a house of cards with all the trappers and everyone else being the cards. The only unfortunate thing here is there probably won't be a proper investigation done to vet out criminal activity and non of the true scoundrels will be held to account whoever they are. SAGA buys up the ranch fur operations that they want which provides NAFA with some relief but when SAGA puts the hammer down on the ranchers they buy (who at this time think they are being rescued) by imposing their strict rules on them then they are going down too and SAGA wins. I'm actually glad that SAGA is not getting involved in North American wild fur. Again I hate for those that got stuck. I pray for all that they come out ok or better than ok. This is a good opportunity For all trappers to rally together. What these folks have done is despicable but no matter how angry we get it isn't going to change it. I understand venting though as sometimes I think we all do. I do believe that though they seem to gotten away with it for now there are two things I know. They have to live with it for the rest of their days especially when they look a fur trapper in the eye and sleep at night and somehow someway they will get in return what they have done to others. It won't happen at our hand or in our time table but it will come.


Very well put, turk.

w


"Provisional/Interim" member of NYS Trappers Association
Jefferson Co. Fur Harvesters

I Support Non-Resident Trapping



Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Actor] #6657555
11/04/19 10:06 PM
11/04/19 10:06 PM
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 923
AR
P
Preacherman Les Offline
trapper
Preacherman Les  Offline
trapper
P

Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 923
AR
They invested heavily in European production hoping it would provide long term dividends. Bad speculation. Most of their loan debt is tied up in Europe. Some of the USA listed loans amount are foreign owned-USA produced.
Also, if you knew how close some of the gone management was to the ranching sector, you might say they were married. Literally. Not that any of that matters now.

Not the business at all that Werner envisioned. What a sorry mess. My sympathies to anyone they owe money too: trappers, dealers, employees, etc. There were some good people there. Not everyone was a bad character.

Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Actor] #6657902
11/05/19 11:17 AM
11/05/19 11:17 AM
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 173
iowa ringgold
B
bch Offline
trapper
bch  Offline
trapper
B

Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 173
iowa ringgold
What are all of you going to do with your fur now, support a locale dealer, ship to FHA, or support your state asso auction?

Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Actor] #6657904
11/05/19 11:18 AM
11/05/19 11:18 AM
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 28,978
potter co. p.a.
P
pcr2 Offline
"Twerker"
pcr2  Offline
"Twerker"
P

Joined: May 2010
Posts: 28,978
potter co. p.a.
i'll still ship to Nafa









Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: bch] #6657934
11/05/19 11:55 AM
11/05/19 11:55 AM
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 11,135
Armpit, ak
D
Dirt Offline
trapper
Dirt  Offline
trapper
D

Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 11,135
Armpit, ak
Originally Posted by bch
What are all of you going to do with your fur now, support a locale dealer, ship to FHA, or support your state asso auction?



"Support" is an odd way of putting this. I always thought we were both supposed to make money on a deal?


Who is John Galt?
Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Actor] #6658019
11/05/19 03:06 PM
11/05/19 03:06 PM
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 9,653
ND
M
MJM Online content
trapper
MJM  Online Content
trapper
M

Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 9,653
ND
It seems that most here did not realize that wild fur was a very small part of NAFA. When wild fur was booming ranch fur was too. NAFA made way more money on ranch fur than wild fur. I can see how and why they would try to invest in it. Yes, they over invested and lost their butt. Do I like it? "NO" But what business doesn't try to expand where they make their money? All you needed to do was look at a auction listing to figure out what they had for fur and where the money was. It was all there in black and white. I always did well on the fur I shipped to NAFA. It was good while it lasted.


"Not Really, Not Really"
Mark J Monti
"MJM you're a jerk."
Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: pcr2] #6658048
11/05/19 04:26 PM
11/05/19 04:26 PM
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 3,103
7mtns of CENTRAL PA
GROUSEWIT Offline
trapper
GROUSEWIT  Offline
trapper

Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 3,103
7mtns of CENTRAL PA
Originally Posted by pcr2
i'll still ship to Nafa


Pack a big lunch to take to the pickup, he might be a little late!!!


NRALIFER,PRPA LIFER,HUNTER,FURTAKER
Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Actor] #6658049
11/05/19 04:28 PM
11/05/19 04:28 PM
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 28,978
potter co. p.a.
P
pcr2 Offline
"Twerker"
pcr2  Offline
"Twerker"
P

Joined: May 2010
Posts: 28,978
potter co. p.a.
i'm figurin lot less competition there this year.









Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: pcr2] #6658055
11/05/19 04:42 PM
11/05/19 04:42 PM
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 11,135
Armpit, ak
D
Dirt Offline
trapper
Dirt  Offline
trapper
D

Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 11,135
Armpit, ak
Originally Posted by pcr2
i'm figurin lot less competition there this year.


Probably get Top Lot unless Boco ships.


Who is John Galt?
Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Actor] #6658067
11/05/19 05:08 PM
11/05/19 05:08 PM
Joined: Jan 2014
Posts: 610
Wyoming
T
thedude055 Offline
trapper
thedude055  Offline
trapper
T

Joined: Jan 2014
Posts: 610
Wyoming
If all your fur are top lot you would be the greatest ever in NAFA history. Maybe they would create a new award and charge you $10 a hide just to receive it. That is of course like stated above unless BOCO ships his fur.

Last edited by thedude055; 11/05/19 05:08 PM.

Owner Wind River Trapping Supplies
Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Actor] #6658074
11/05/19 05:13 PM
11/05/19 05:13 PM
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 28,978
potter co. p.a.
P
pcr2 Offline
"Twerker"
pcr2  Offline
"Twerker"
P

Joined: May 2010
Posts: 28,978
potter co. p.a.
every hide i've shipped to Nafa has gotten top lot. wink









Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Actor] #6658087
11/05/19 05:35 PM
11/05/19 05:35 PM
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 19,930
SEPA
L
Lugnut Offline
trapper
Lugnut  Offline
trapper
L

Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 19,930
SEPA
All none of them? grin


Eh...wot?

Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Actor] #6658088
11/05/19 05:37 PM
11/05/19 05:37 PM
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 28,978
potter co. p.a.
P
pcr2 Offline
"Twerker"
pcr2  Offline
"Twerker"
P

Joined: May 2010
Posts: 28,978
potter co. p.a.
wink









Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Actor] #6658287
11/05/19 10:27 PM
11/05/19 10:27 PM
Joined: Apr 2017
Posts: 2,283
PA
L
lumberjack391 Offline
trapper
lumberjack391  Offline
trapper
L

Joined: Apr 2017
Posts: 2,283
PA

"Only Lot" award

Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Actor] #6658414
11/06/19 04:08 AM
11/06/19 04:08 AM
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 4,790
M.T.V. Alaska
Y
yukonjeff Offline
trapper
yukonjeff  Offline
trapper
Y

Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 4,790
M.T.V. Alaska
Be sure to save your top lot hats and other NAFA memorabilia, so your grandkids can put them on ebay someday, and maybe get some of your money back.

Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Actor] #6658547
11/06/19 09:17 AM
11/06/19 09:17 AM
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 3,716
SW Pa
W
wr otis Offline
trapper
wr otis  Offline
trapper
W

Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 3,716
SW Pa
Anybody have any idea of the actual volume of inventory they have in storage? Are they still sitting on hundreds of thousands of pelts? Honestly have paid them no attention lately.

Re: NAFA Speaks again .... [Re: Actor] #6658553
11/06/19 09:22 AM
11/06/19 09:22 AM
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 23,797
Wisconsin
T
The Beav Offline
trapper
The Beav  Offline
trapper
T

Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 23,797
Wisconsin
1- No fur at NAFA for the 2020 season.

2- Dealer lots will be returned to dealers.

3- Intersorted pelts will be sold at auction and trappers will be paid for that fur.

4- Bad Checks will be made good.

5- when this will happen I don't know.


The forum Know It All according to Muskrat
Page 30 of 33 1 2 28 29 30 31 32 33
Previous Thread
Index
Next Thread