Re: Michael Drejka Sentenced
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11/10/19 12:28 PM
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So some of you guys would come out of the store and see some mouthy arsehole yelling at your wife and would just meekly get in the car and have her drive away? Seems so. Also....I'm assuming the shooter was feeling bug and looking for a fight. I work with thousands of handicapped people who many are healthy look working age men from the waste up. They get accosted all the time when parkimg until they open the door. This twat was screaming at some woman in the passenger seat of a car so extremely that ohers were gauking at the situation. As a man....if you dont check the situation by removing the threat from your loved one in appropriate levels youre not man enough to have a woman. Id be curious id a toxicology test was done on the shooter. If your woman can’t handle a verbal exchange, she’s not a woman, just a maid.
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Re: Michael Drejka Sentenced
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11/10/19 12:33 PM
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So some of you guys would come out of the store and see some mouthy arsehole yelling at your wife and would just meekly get in the car and have her drive away? Seems so. Also....I'm assuming the shooter was feeling bug and looking for a fight. I work with thousands of handicapped people who many are healthy look working age men from the waste up. They get accosted all the time when parkimg until they open the door. This twat was screaming at some woman in the passenger seat of a car so extremely that ohers were gauking at the situation. As a man....if you dont check the situation by removing the threat from your loved one in appropriate levels youre not man enough to have a woman. Id be curious id a toxicology test was done on the shooter. The shooter had a history of this type of behavior. He was reported four times previously for pointing his gun at people during road-rage incidents. He essentially admitted during the police interrogation that he had never been in a physical fight and only felt safe doing this bullcrap because he was armed. Also not mentioned was that Markeis Mcglockton's (the victim's) three young children were in the car at the time of the killing. Two sons and a daughter.
Eh...wot?
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Re: Michael Drejka Sentenced
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maybe saying sorry your right I shouldn’t have parked in the handicapped parking spot,have a good day may have been a better choice in this case Words of wisdom. I agree. That doesn't change the fact that there was absolutely no good reason to shoot the guy.
Eh...wot?
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Re: Michael Drejka Sentenced
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11/10/19 03:27 PM
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I don't blame the guy that put gun in hand. I just didn't see a need to kill the guy. He was no longer interested in assaulting the loud mouth who had been berating his wife. As is often the case it is another instance of two bone heads playing who has the most machismo. Now two men who likely both had family that loved them have been taken away from them. Best summation of the whole incident.^^^ This reminds me of a dumb stunt my wife pulls occasionally... She will walk right out into the striped crosswalk in front of a store when a vehicle is coming. When I chide her for it she always says it'll be the driver's fault if she gets hit... And then I call her a dumb@-- and inform her that it won't matter whose fault it was if she's dead. Two lives wasted over some lines painted on pavement. Mike
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Re: Michael Drejka Sentenced
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11/10/19 08:58 PM
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Danny, I agree with you 99% of your post. The only thing I will say is this. That guy walked out of the store and some guy was screaming at his wife. Good chance is he didn't even know why he was screaming at her, just that he was. I think a lot of us would've done the same thing and gave the guy a shove. Bingo.
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Re: Michael Drejka Sentenced
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He shot unarmed assailants that's what it has to do with it-ya follow? I was wondering what his sentence was. That's the issue which many of us have with you from time to time, whitey. Trouble following ya.
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Re: Michael Drejka Sentenced
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You got that right,Lack of comprehension is your issue,allright.Not mine. Who is "us"
Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
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Re: Michael Drejka Sentenced
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I hate rudeness in a man. I won't tolerate it.
I think that's what the shooter told the pusher guy right before shooting him to death.
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Re: Michael Drejka Sentenced
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I can't see shoving anybody. Maiming them for life maybe but not shoving. I still say they both were idiots. The woman needs charged with a crime also. When her man came out of the store she got out of the car. She was driving. She could easily have moved her car. No she decided to escalate things also. After all she obviously is special and should be allowed to make a handicapped persons life more difficult in order to make hers easier. She wanted her man to get physical. Its why she got out of the car.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Michael Drejka Sentenced
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I avoid these kind of hassels by limping a bit when I park in the handicap spot.
Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
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Re: Michael Drejka Sentenced
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I avoid these kind of hassels by limping a bit when I park in the handicap spot. Hahahaa
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Re: Michael Drejka Sentenced
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11/11/19 04:47 PM
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Shouldn't have shoved him. That's what you get. Getting shoved to the ground isn't (normally) a threat to your life. Deadly force should be reserved for deadly situations. Exactly. Used only if there's a good chance you won't see your next birthday.
We are told not to judge all Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but are told to judge all gunowners by the actions of a few.
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Re: Michael Drejka Sentenced
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I hate rudeness in a man. I won't tolerate it.
I think that's what the shooter told the pusher guy right before shooting him to death. You are very likely correct, but the shooter took it too far. Way too far. Not only did it put him behind bars for a long time, he single-handedly made everyone who carries concealed look bad in the eyes of reasonable people.
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Re: Michael Drejka Sentenced
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You got that right,Lack of comprehension is your issue,allright.Not mine. Who is "us" Lack of comprehension is a 2-way street. You still haven't explained how a guy who is being mugged by thugs with screwdrivers responding with lethal force has anything to do with a guy shooting a guy who shoved him down, then walked away. You got me on the "us". I do not have a turd in my pocket, and I should not speak on behalf of others.
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Re: Michael Drejka Sentenced
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You got that right,Lack of comprehension is your issue,allright.Not mine. Who is "us" Lack of comprehension is a 2-way street. You still haven't explained how a guy who is being mugged by thugs with screwdrivers responding with lethal force has anything to do with a guy shooting a guy who shoved him down, then walked away. You got me on the "us". I do not have a turd in my pocket, and I should not speak on behalf of others. Those 4 muggers had long rap sheets and were self admittedly on their way to commit another planned robbery, when they demanded money from Bernard. Keith
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Re: Michael Drejka Sentenced
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I read the particulars of the Goetz case,and your lack of comprehension is evident yet again. The people shot by Goetz did not threaten him with screwdrivers,a couple had screwdrivers on them as burglary tools.Their rap sheet is irrelevant as Goetz was unaware of that and unaware that they had screwdrivers,according to Goetz own statements. Goetz himself said he feared getting beat by the thugs,just like the thug that pushed Drejka. If anything,Drejka was less culpable than Goetz,since Drejka was actually assaulted,and Goetz was not. The only charge that Goetz was convicted of was carrying an unauthorized weapon. Very similar cases with very different outcomes.
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Re: Michael Drejka Sentenced
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I read the particulars of the Goetz case,and your lack of comprehension is evident yet again. The people shot by Goetz did not threaten him with screwdrivers,a couple had screwdrivers on them as burglary tools.Their rap sheet is irrelevant as Goetz was unaware of that and unaware that they had screwdrivers,according to Goetz own statements. Goetz himself said he feared getting beat by the thugs,just like the thug that pushed Drejka. If anything,Drejka was less culpable than Goetz,since Drejka was actually assaulted,and Goetz was not. The only charge that Goetz was convicted of was carrying an unauthorized weapon. Very similar cases with very different outcomes.
No one died in the Goetz case, that makes it very disimilar. Darrell Cabey, one of the men shot, admitted in a newspaper interview with columnist Jimmy Breslin that his friends had indeed intended to rob Goetz, who looked like "easy bait". In this case the man shot dead was protecting his woman from a belligerent antagonist and had stopped going after the man who shot him, when shot. Keith
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Re: Michael Drejka Sentenced
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Shouldn't have shoved him. That's what you get. Getting shoved to the ground isn't (normally) a threat to your life. Deadly force should be reserved for deadly situation Maybe what's not a deadly threat to you is to somebody else. When you chose to get physical with somebody you just opened Pandora's box. You have no idea of their mental state and things can spiral out of your control in a blink of the eye. Doesn't matter what should be reserved for what, rational thought just went out the window. Doesn't matter who's right, you can end up dead if you choose to lay hands on another man.
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Re: Michael Drejka Sentenced
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It is not hard to figure the different outcomes to those two cases that are basically the same. One occurred before the "Michael Brown,hands up don't shoot" case and one occurred after. That's it that's all - the difference.
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Re: Michael Drejka Sentenced
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It is not hard to figure the different outcomes to those two cases that are basically the same. One occurred before the "Michael Brown,hands up don't shoot" case and one occurred after. That's it that's all - the difference. 4 people in the process of robbing 1 person, being shot, but not being killed is not even close to 1 person being shot and killed by another person, while backing away from them, after their aggression stopped. In Ohio and probably all other states in the US, you are no longer allowed to use deadly force once your attacker stops their aggressive behavior. You are not permitted to use deadly force to punish your attacker. Keith
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