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Re: Fur prices this year.... [Re: Canvasback2] #6662066
11/10/19 07:11 PM
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Why or how does a trapline deteriorate if it is not used? Just curious

Re: Fur prices this year.... [Re: Jasper69] #6662072
11/10/19 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Jasper69
Why or how does a trapline deteriorate if it is not used? Just curious


Because if mankind stops regulating the balance nature takes over with its own way of doing things. There will be a rise in predators, causing a decline in prey, then the decline in prey will cause a decline in predators, decline in predators will cause a rise in prey, etc. every few years the balance will swing wildly back and forth. Control the predators and preys numbers, and the cycle will even out and stay fairly even so that the land can yield an abundance of both.


"I have two guns, one for each of ya."
Re: Fur prices this year.... [Re: Canvasback2] #6662179
11/10/19 08:48 PM
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I keep up on my favorite marshes. Because I love marshes and sincerely believe that my activity does make a difference.(Boco theory) I am seasonally employed so I have time over winter. Low markets and little return works on ones attitude but when I quit trapping I quit caring.

During these low value years I’ve slowed down, experiment, analyze and reconstructed my game. Focus on percentage and efficiency. Personally making great strides. Staying sharp. Any value in that?

Re: Fur prices this year.... [Re: nimzy] #6662196
11/10/19 08:58 PM
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I am trying some new sets for me and yes I am glad there is not a real sense of urgency about the learning curve. I am trying to learn to use my colonies in bottom edge sets. Waded 1/2 mile of river yesterday, saw little sign and no dens but set out 12 edges. I got one rat today! These rivers were out of their banks almost all year and much of last year so there may not be many rats there either. I found a large wet spot in a field and the last 3 days 3 houses popped up. I won't get to them until we get the two nights of 10 and 8 degrees.

Bryce

Re: Fur prices this year.... [Re: Canvasback2] #6662225
11/10/19 09:20 PM
11/10/19 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Dirt
If you're going to trap, no matter what the price, why do you care what stuff sells for or even if it sells since it obviously doesn't change what you will be doing?

I see nobody answered my question. Just another lecture from Ontario.


I don't get it, why wouldn't you care?

If all of the sudden Ducks were worth something dollar wise, wouldn't a Duck hunter want to know how much? Seems like normal curiosity to me.

Re: Fur prices this year.... [Re: bblwi] #6662236
11/10/19 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by bblwi
I am trying some new sets for me and yes I am glad there is not a real sense of urgency about the learning curve. I am trying to learn to use my colonies in bottom edge sets. Waded 1/2 mile of river yesterday, saw little sign and no dens but set out 12 edges. I got one rat today! These rivers were out of their banks almost all year and much of last year so there may not be many rats there either. I found a large wet spot in a field and the last 3 days 3 houses popped up. I won't get to them until we get the two nights of 10 and 8 degrees.

Bryce

My daughter wanted to set some colony traps.out today. All the water is so high we had a hard time finding spots. Spending time.with my daughter was worth more than a rats would ever be. Dropped in 3 colony trap's and we will see.


Wish I had more time to trap....
Re: Fur prices this year.... [Re: Canvasback2] #6662278
11/10/19 09:53 PM
11/10/19 09:53 PM
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All this talk will not be worth the wideband use when it is selling season. Try selling an air conditioner right now and see what I am talking about. Where people go wrong is when they don't think fur buyers want money for Christmas just like trappers that sell their fur do. End users rarely need fur this time of year. They are selling the stuff they already have made into garments. LLL


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Re: Fur prices this year.... [Re: Canvasback2] #6662280
11/10/19 09:56 PM
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Last receiving date for the march sale at fha is in January.


Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
Re: Fur prices this year.... [Re: Boco] #6662327
11/10/19 10:31 PM
11/10/19 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Boco
Last receiving date for the march sale at fha is in January.

JANUARY 19 FOR MARCH SALE


50 + years of trapping & some fur buying and i still know nothing.
Re: Fur prices this year.... [Re: nimzy] #6662617
11/11/19 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by nimzy
I keep up on my favorite marshes. Because I love marshes and sincerely believe that my activity does make a difference.(Boco theory) I am seasonally employed so I have time over winter. Low markets and little return works on ones attitude but when I quit trapping I quit caring.

During these low value years I’ve slowed down, experiment, analyze and reconstructed my game. Focus on percentage and efficiency. Personally making great strides. Staying sharp. Any value in that?


Yes, Back between 1997 and 2005 I got to focus on percentage and efficiency. I got it figured out then. Add marketing to that list, but I am always working on this.

My activity certainly makes a difference on some species some of the time. I do not control and cannot control all the variables concerning survival rates for all species. The two most important prey species here are not manageable by me.

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Re: Fur prices this year.... [Re: Canvasback2] #6662741
11/11/19 01:30 PM
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Money is part of the equation. For some it is money made, for others it is money lost. Would I trap if fur was worthless? Maybe, but I sure as HE [double hockey sticks] would not be skinning and fleshing. That would then be a terrible waste of a renewable resource. With all the feel good, green, organic, GMO free, renewable people out there. Why can't we get it through their heads that fur is all of this? Plus it is warn and beautiful to boot.

Re: Fur prices this year.... [Re: Canvasback2] #6662814
11/11/19 03:06 PM
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Boco, what species can you determine the population of by doing an aerial survey besides beaver?

Re: Fur prices this year.... [Re: Canvasback2] #6662821
11/11/19 03:17 PM
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Trappers only do aerial surveys for beaver,but biologists do aerial surveys for tracks and animals for wolves,wolverine,and ungulates.
If you do a beaver survey that shows every drainage with dead ponds and houses in series from one end to the other,due to habitat degradation from previous overpopulation you can bet your bottom dollar there will be few if any mink,rats,otter,cats, wolves, marten, fisher in that type of habitat.Poor country for moose too,compared to a managed population where there are series of live ponds one after the other for miles along a drainage.
You can actually see the difference on google earth.Look at the areas where trapping is not allowed like the crown game preserves compared to managed trapping zones,the difference is striking.

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Re: Fur prices this year.... [Re: 52Carl] #6662858
11/11/19 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by 52Carl
So if NAFA dumps all of their current wild fur holdings STEALINGS into the market at once,it won't affect prices?


I fixed it for you, 52Carl.

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Re: Fur prices this year.... [Re: Canvasback2] #6662875
11/11/19 04:57 PM
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The reason I like to know what the price on furs are because that I can get them sold, then just waste them out in the woods. If I break even I am happy, if some think it is wrong to think this way then why do they trap for?


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Re: Fur prices this year.... [Re: Canvasback2] #6663161
11/11/19 10:17 PM
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So how much leftover stuff does fha auction co. Have on hand from. Ones on here, ? Did mink even sell at all, ? Nafa did manage to sell close 40 mink mine last season, everthing, except possum an 1 coon, did fha even sell hardly a mink ?

Re: Fur prices this year.... [Re: Canvasback2] #6663163
11/11/19 10:19 PM
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bet they sell more than nafa this year.

don't knock em till ya try them.









Re: Fur prices this year.... [Re: pcr2] #6663203
11/11/19 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by pcr2
bet they sell more than nafa this year.

don't knock em till ya try them.

Ha ha, nafa won't be selling any this coming year, in past, nafa has sold 10 times in quantity as fha sale,

Re: Fur prices this year.... [Re: coonman220] #6663381
11/12/19 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by coonman220
So how much leftover stuff does fha auction co. Have on hand from. Ones on here, ? Did mink even sell at all, ? Nafa did manage to sell close 40 mink mine last season, everthing, except possum an 1 coon, did fha even sell hardly a mink ?


Based on current developments I would consider NAFA a motivated seller

Re: Fur prices this year.... [Re: nimzy] #6663382
11/12/19 08:23 AM
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There was an old adage in the fur trade. Best to have a cold blast ahead of the holidays to jump start the consumer. And start the momentum. Does this hold true today? GFW?

Should I be buying GOOS?

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