Need some advice
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11/12/19 04:45 PM
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Yesterday I took a little time off and went to.do a little scouting around the property. While I was out I found what looks like a shooting lane and a small food plot together with a lawn mower and a trail camera on my patch. I am thinking of taking down the camera, putting it together with a note onto the mower telling the person to remove his stuff from my property ASAP and give him a week to do it If the stuff is not gone by then, I’ll remove it Would that be the right way to deal with the issue or is there a better way
Let's go Brandon
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Re: Need some advice
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11/12/19 04:51 PM
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its your property do as think you best. it may be a neighbor. you might want to meet and shake hands. not good to get on the bad side of a neighbor. always a chance he was unaware you were taking possession. think I would keep a eye out and introduce myself when I found him. have a little conversation. polite conversation. always best imo to tread lightly till you get all the details
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Need some advice
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11/12/19 05:03 PM
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I would start by checking with the previous owner and if he had granted permission for him to hunt that place. If not I would be more inclined to handle like Danny said.
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Re: Need some advice
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11/12/19 05:07 PM
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I’ve hunted without permission, accidentally and otherwise. I’ve run into landowners and permitted hunters in both situations. I’ve been on the landowner side too. Now sometimes a person is a ne’re do well and should be dealt with accordingly. But mostly a grin and a conversation from both parties resolved all. Most old timers are secretly tickled to see a young man prowling for game. I am
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Re: Need some advice
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11/12/19 05:12 PM
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I got stuck with a fine for Deer hunting/trespassing on a place that changed hands and I didn't know it. Judge didn't seem to care one bit. Could have been worse, as I cut a bunch of down/dead tree's for firewood for the cabin.
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Re: Need some advice
[Re: Scuba1]
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11/12/19 05:16 PM
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I like your idea Scuba1. The only suggestion I have is if after a week if they don't remove items leave another note with your phone # to contact you in person to retrieve items and talk about the situation. Don't leave your address though!
Chris
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Re: Need some advice
[Re: Scuba1]
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11/12/19 05:23 PM
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i'm sure it's well marked as you just bought it but make positive its on yours too.
i'd send the warden with don't fine orders but anymore doubt i'd approach a stranger in the woods.pay enough in fees and taxes let them handle it.
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Re: Need some advice
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11/12/19 05:39 PM
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i'm sure it's well marked as you just bought it but make positive its on yours too.
i'd send the warden with don't fine orders but anymore doubt i'd approach a stranger in the woods.pay enough in fees and taxes let them handle it. Or..... Scuba could put a wig and dress on. Then get in front of the trailcam holding a sign that says, Pa says, if you wanta keep a huntin R properti, you have to marry me! That might fix everything.
I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
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Re: Need some advice
[Re: Scuba1]
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11/12/19 05:51 PM
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I was planning on leaving my number with that note Either way I will not let anyone hunt in that spot as there is no backstop between it and the boat / camper /barn etc Don’t need anymore holes in my place then what it was meant to have
Let's go Brandon
"Shall not comply" with morons who don't understand "shall not infringe."
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Re: Need some advice
[Re: Scuba1]
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11/12/19 05:54 PM
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Catch ....... what color dress ??? And how short should it be ??
Let's go Brandon
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Re: Need some advice
[Re: Scuba1]
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11/12/19 05:57 PM
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Catch ....... what color dress ??? And how short should it be ?? Don't where white, it's after labor day. Purple, and show some leg. On a serious note, it might be a good ole boy that didn't know you bought it. I'm sure if ya talk to him y'all can work it out.
I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
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Re: Need some advice
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11/12/19 06:13 PM
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Catch ....... what color dress ??? And how short should it be ?? Difinatly "bucket blue" Its the rave these days.
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Re: Need some advice
[Re: Scuba1]
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11/12/19 06:54 PM
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If the person accesses that spot by car or truck he has to use my road / track past the boat If by ATV he can get there by another track on the property The previous owner did not give permission to anyone to be on the place for any reason by the way
Let's go Brandon
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Re: Need some advice
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11/12/19 07:20 PM
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You just want to see me in a skirt Beware what you wish for is all I can say and blindness could be a blessing
Let's go Brandon
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Re: Need some advice
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11/12/19 08:08 PM
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guy might be a rascal and need dealt with harshly but it wont hurt a thing to find out. rural area like that you make an enemy of somebody over something easily sorted out, you may have a whole bunch of folks not friendly toward you.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Need some advice
[Re: brianmall]
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11/12/19 09:44 PM
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Take it all to your place? And now they know who you are and where you live!
Sounds like the shooting lane and food plot are practically line of sight with the trailer and not too far from the road in. Wouldn't take a genius to figure out who called it in if the stuff was gone but not at the trailer.
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Re: Need some advice
[Re: Scuba1]
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11/12/19 09:46 PM
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if you get a grass fire from burning trash brian, your neighbors going to help you put it out?
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Need some advice
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11/12/19 09:54 PM
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I think I’ll take the advice of taking the camera down and leaving my phone number with a note in its place. Then take it from there. Arrange a meeting at a local diner to hand it back and sort the issue out He will not hunt that spot though no matter what. I gave my neighbor permission to hunt in the lower part of he lets me know before he goes so we don’t get in each other’s way . Me cutting wood or testing loads while he tries to hunt sort of thing is not helpful to either of us but I am not planning on other folks being there other than him
Let's go Brandon
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Re: Need some advice
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11/12/19 10:27 PM
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Just take all the stuff.Its on your property,let him figure it out. When he tracks you down(if he ever does)just tell him you thought it was left by the previous owner,then ask him why the h--- he is trespassing on other peoples property,since you already know the previous owner did not give him permission.
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Re: Need some advice
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11/12/19 10:31 PM
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I still wouldn't remove his camera. What will that gain you? A phone call from the guy who put it up and an explanation.
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Re: Need some advice
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11/12/19 10:33 PM
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I still wouldn't remove his camera. What will that gain you? A phone call from the guy who put it up and an explanation. You'd get that with a friendly note. It could be an honest mistake.
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Re: Need some advice
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11/12/19 10:56 PM
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Maybe. Maybe not. If he's like me every time he checks the camera there's a pretty good picture of his face trying to get the housing open. So he may be more inclined to call and try to make peace if he knows he's been busted. Leave a friendly note and a scoundrel will ride off into the sunset on his mower with his camera and any proof he was ever there. So, what's the down side to that? He'll have moved on and isn't that what Scuba wanted in the first place? I'd at least give the guy a chance to do the right thing. I wouldn't take his stuff. Dalton: "I want you to be nice until it's time to not be nice." - Road House
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Re: Need some advice
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11/13/19 10:57 PM
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I went back to the beach today and don't want to leave the missus with that stuff, so will leave it as is till I get back on Monday as then I'll be there for around 3 weeks. Then I'll put a note in a zip lock bag on the camera with my phone number saying that there is not going to be any hunting on my property without my permission. Then he can either pack his stuff and leave or give me a call and then pack up his stuff and leave. I don't want to just hand it over to a game warden as it could have been a mistake so will give the guy the benefit of the doubt.
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Let's go Brandon
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Re: Need some advice
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11/14/19 01:44 AM
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Sounds like a wise choice to me.
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Re: Need some advice
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11/14/19 03:39 AM
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sounds like it to me too. can always call l.e. if the guy turns out to be a jerk. if he is not you wont have made an enemy over something simple.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Need some advice
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11/14/19 07:42 AM
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Sounds like I've got a few days to get my stuff out of there. grab my camera will ya?
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Re: Need some advice
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11/19/19 06:04 PM
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Nope no feral hogs around here. The dates on that camera are messed up. But my suspicion is that this dude does not care much for the game laws. I mean what keep to the seasons if you are trespassing on someones property and hunting over bait, cut down bushes and trees that are not yours. Why bother with sticking to the hunting season?
Let's go Brandon
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Re: Need some advice
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11/19/19 06:54 PM
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Will be interesting once you are able to meet him eye to eye.
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Re: Need some advice
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11/19/19 07:40 PM
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Will be interesting once you are able to meet him eye to eye. . I have this funny feeling that that is not going to happen. Sneaky ones like that usually don't have it in them to man up to their wrong doing
Let's go Brandon
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Re: Need some advice
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11/19/19 07:47 PM
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It seems bizarrely brazen, if he did not think he had permission.
Keith X2 I'm betting he mistakenly thinks he's perfectly legal.
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Re: Need some advice
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11/19/19 07:51 PM
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Is the lawnmower better than yours? Could swap them out....I for sure wouldn't go back in there without my pig castrator! I am sure that is a given though. Good luck!
you're only allowed so many sunrises... I aim to see every one of them!
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Re: Need some advice
[Re: OhioBoy]
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11/19/19 07:56 PM
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What’s the date of the pics of you? Whatever amount it’s off for you it’s off the same for him. Easy to figure. As I said, the camera was out of batterie juice so did not take a pic of me. And I left it there and only took the SD card of it.
Let's go Brandon
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Re: Need some advice
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11/19/19 07:57 PM
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I don't have a lawn mower. Or a lawn for that matter.
Let's go Brandon
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Re: Need some advice
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I don't have a lawn mower. Or a lawn for that matter. Looks like you do now, don't tell me you don't have a pig castrator either? Better get one, looks like your gonna need it.
you're only allowed so many sunrises... I aim to see every one of them!
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Re: Need some advice
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11/19/19 08:03 PM
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I have a paddle and a creek
Let's go Brandon
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Re: Need some advice
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Last year, I was looking for some land to hunt with my 12 year old son. I haven't hunted in many years and he wanted to try it. I didn't want to take him out on state land to find out on opening day that 3 other hunters have set up within 100' of our location.
I put an ad in the local paper looking for 20+ acres to lease for the year. I got a couple of calls and ended up leasing a piece of property from a woman named Colleen who lives about 15 miles from here. We were walking the property and we found a deer stand on that property. I called the woman I had leased it from. She didn't know who's stand it was and told me to get rid of it if I wanted too. I hung a note on the stand that I had leased the property and the stand had to go. I included my phone number on the note.
4 or 5 months later, it was deer season. No one had ever come out to get the stand ready, I had 6 trail cameras in the woods and never caught another person on the property. We hunted during what, in NJ, is called "deer week", the 6 day shotgun season. No one in the woods but us.
About 2 weeks later, during bow season, I get a phone call from a guy named Chris. He tells me he owns the stand and has permission to hunt from the owner. We talk a little. He thinks a guy named Mike owns the property. I leased it from Colleen. He doesn't know her and I don't know him. The next day I go to the township clerks office and ask them to pull the tax map. I find the property and they get the tax records for it. Colleen is Mike's ex wife. She no longer owns the property, Mike got it in the divorce 15 years ago. She leased his property to me.
I called Chris and apologized. I pulled our deer blind, cameras, and whatever else I had in the woods. With colleen's permission, and a signed lease, I had cut some trees back, posted the property, set up a couple of bait piles, and had my cameras all over the woods. I was on the property illegally but didn't know it.
Oh, I paid cash in full the day I signed the lease and never got a penny back.
-Ryan
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Re: Need some advice
[Re: frank1969]
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I'd take it all to your place leave him a note to call u and explain it to him face to face . Then you get to see him for and meet him THIS
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Re: Need some advice
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Catch ....... what color dress ??? And how short should it be ?? I'd go with a skirt & crop-top oh.. don't forget the heels!
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Re: Need some advice
[Re: zoozoo400]
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Catch ....... what color dress ??? And how short should it be ?? I'd go with a skirt & crop-top oh.. don't forget the heels! Dude I am 6'4 so heels would just look silly . Keep it real
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Re: Need some advice
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Re: Need some advice
[Re: Scuba1]
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12/05/19 01:52 PM
12/05/19 01:52 PM
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Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 16,150 Tennessee
Scuba1
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"color blind Kraut"
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"color blind Kraut"
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 16,150
Tennessee
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Sorry for the late reply but I just now picked up my laptop from a recall repair and don't like to type on may phone that much. Yep the guy called and then showed up to pick up his SD card. I explained the situation to him and he was fine with it. He lives in the house at the other end of my property. They cut down all the trees on their patch for some reason. So everything sorted out now and he has another place he can hunt a few miles down the road so was ok with my decision.
Let's go Brandon
"Shall not comply" with morons who don't understand "shall not infringe."
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Re: Need some advice
[Re: Scuba1]
#6684289
12/05/19 07:16 PM
12/05/19 07:16 PM
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Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 11,928 Oakland, MS
Drifter
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Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 11,928
Oakland, MS
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Glad it turned out for the best.
Some individuals use statistics as a drunk man uses lamp-posts — for support rather than for illumination.
Andrew Lang (1844-1912) Scottish poet, novelist and literary critic
Life member NTA , and GA Trappers assoc .
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