Re: Baiting deer!?!
[Re: wvmntnhick]
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11/12/19 08:33 PM
11/12/19 08:33 PM
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Dillrod
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Is baiting really that big of a deal? It’s been illegal here for a while. Sure it makes things a little harder in bow season because you can’t tempt them that extra little bit but I’ve seen better bucks without bait. Besides, I’m sure there’s a loophole. We can’t bait but we can put in food plots. Plant the right stuff in a small spot and you’ve got it made. It’s not baiting. It’s agriculture. Lol It is a big deal if all you have acess is small scattered land plots. Not many 20 acre pcs get sold in my area anymore, even 10 is a find. No opportunities for the upcoming youth. Who are beginning to pad the voteing population. Trust me your gonna see the day you will wish you had those votes. A youth on a 10-20 acre pc. of land without bait to enhance his chance to interact with everything in nature that uses the bait pile. Won't return to the outdoors for very long . Odds are , never again. Only leaves fishing in lakes and rivers. Don't need guns for that. I want every oportunity possible to get the youth interested in the outdoors. As I feel this is a very big influence in their understanding of the need, respect, and proper use of firearms. Exactly what I think we all desire. So to me It Is a very big deal to all sportsman . The ethics arguments that always arise, I will leave to the purist, who continue to purify their ranks. Until they thin their ranks so much they are easilty cut off by the voters they alienate. We wont even discuss the amount of finacial damage that was done to the smaller farmers in this state. I live in the apple orchard corner of the state , I see the results all around. Baiting is a lot deeper issue than many of us sometimes consider. I do understand how some see no big deal. But maybe we should not deny those who do it. Our govener will not sign this, Too much of a politician to consider it without some type of reward. Her voter base could care less about the sportsman and their needs.
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Re: Baiting deer!?!
[Re: seniortrap]
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11/12/19 08:42 PM
11/12/19 08:42 PM
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Lugnut
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Baiting has always been illegal in PA.
PA hunters kill lots of deer.
Eh...wot?
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Re: Baiting deer!?!
[Re: jeff karsten]
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11/12/19 08:58 PM
11/12/19 08:58 PM
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wvmntnhick
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agree with you wvmnthick and ive bowhunted farmland To my simple mind hunting an area that attracts deer whether natural or manmade is no different in any way there's 2 types of land where I live large clubs and 40 acre plots handed down threw generations kept mainly for deer hunting lots of these small acreages are untillable But my biggest gripe is after watching deer farms import sick deer for decades while the DNR and USDA couldnt decide who had jurisdiction are now loudly proclaiming they're controlling disease by dumping on the little guy I hear ya. They claim CWD as their reasons here. When EHD hits, CWD is nothing. I get they don’t want to transmit it but for those small tracts of land it does make it harder. I belong to a large club back home. Not the place I live currently but back HOME. 56k acres owned by a timber company and leased by the club. Hunt a spot long enough to get comfortable with it then come back to find its all timbered. All I do there now is turkey hunt but that’s nearly impossible since there’s no roost trees left anymore.
I keep desperately hoping that one day someone will call me "Sir" without adding "please calm down" or "you're causing a scene."
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Re: Baiting deer!?!
[Re: Dillrod]
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11/12/19 09:01 PM
11/12/19 09:01 PM
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wvmntnhick
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Is baiting really that big of a deal? It’s been illegal here for a while. Sure it makes things a little harder in bow season because you can’t tempt them that extra little bit but I’ve seen better bucks without bait. Besides, I’m sure there’s a loophole. We can’t bait but we can put in food plots. Plant the right stuff in a small spot and you’ve got it made. It’s not baiting. It’s agriculture. Lol It is a big deal if all you have acess is small scattered land plots. Not many 20 acre pcs get sold in my area anymore, even 10 is a find. No opportunities for the upcoming youth. Who are beginning to pad the voteing population. Trust me your gonna see the day you will wish you had those votes. A youth on a 10-20 acre pc. of land without bait to enhance his chance to interact with everything in nature that uses the bait pile. Won't return to the outdoors for very long . Odds are , never again. Only leaves fishing in lakes and rivers. Don't need guns for that. I want every oportunity possible to get the youth interested in the outdoors. As I feel this is a very big influence in their understanding of the need, respect, and proper use of firearms. Exactly what I think we all desire. So to me It Is a very big deal to all sportsman . The ethics arguments that always arise, I will leave to the purist, who continue to purify their ranks. Until they thin their ranks so much they are easilty cut off by the voters they alienate. We wont even discuss the amount of finacial damage that was done to the smaller farmers in this state. I live in the apple orchard corner of the state , I see the results all around. Baiting is a lot deeper issue than many of us sometimes consider. I do understand how some see no big deal. But maybe we should not deny those who do it. Our govener will not sign this, Too much of a politician to consider it without some type of reward. Her voter base could care less about the sportsman and their needs. I’ll not deny anyone. One place I hunt is only 5 acres. There’s 5 of us hunting it. I’ve killed 3 on it this year. Other guys have done ok too. Just gotta make the best of it sometimes.
I keep desperately hoping that one day someone will call me "Sir" without adding "please calm down" or "you're causing a scene."
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Re: Baiting deer!?!
[Re: tlguy]
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11/12/19 10:55 PM
11/12/19 10:55 PM
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wvmntnhick
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I'd love to get a lesson on blind sets from you guys that are hating on deer baiters. What do you buy with the money you save on not buying baits and lures for trapping? You must have a good understanding of coyote bedding and feeding areas. Making sure we’re on the same page, I’ve got no strong feelings one way or the other. I’ve done it and probably still would if it were legal where I’m at. But it no longer is and I’ve had to adapt. It’s unfortunate for some but it is what it is.
I keep desperately hoping that one day someone will call me "Sir" without adding "please calm down" or "you're causing a scene."
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Re: Baiting deer!?!
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11/13/19 05:34 AM
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By hunting you learn about where the deer bed,move to feeding grounds, rut movement etc. you have to scout and put in effort and time to kill a buck. You don't need to learn any of this by dumping bait in the woods and sitting by it. You miss out on some of the best parts of the hunt. I hope the Mi dnr have the guts to enforce the no baiting laws. If someone doesn't want to put in the time to scout and learn to hunt maybe deer hunting isn't for them. Hope all are safe this gun season and good luck to all.
Interesting how many sports people put down others for the style hunting they prefer. I wonder why all hunters don't drive Chevys and shoot .35 Rem, I mean come on that's how I do it, everyone should do it my way. Michigan hunters are victims of a CWD disease and special interest groups using it to push large antler private land hunting agenda statewide. Our main sportsman advocate group MUCC has sold out totally on this topic.
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Re: Baiting deer!?!
[Re: Lugnut]
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11/13/19 05:38 AM
11/13/19 05:38 AM
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Baiting has always been illegal in PA.
PA hunters kill lots of deer. PA hunters argue a lot about the regulations in their state also. Michigan hunters also kill a lot of deer, so do our vehicles on the roads.
you're only allowed so many sunrises... I aim to see every one of them!
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Re: Baiting deer!?!
[Re: Trapper Dahlgren]
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11/13/19 06:56 AM
11/13/19 06:56 AM
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dillrod is right on target ,we have half thee number of hunters as we did I the 90's ,this was just on are local news , an its not just in big city, are local county is down a third of what we were in the 90's, we need to get people involved not drive them away from the outdoors Amen.I don't bait,but it doesn't bother me that other people do.It was asked if baiting was that big,every gas station up here has bait for sale,along with stores.Its a million dollar seasonal industry,obviously farmers love it.As a kid back in '60's I don't know if baiting was legal or not,I know nobody here did it.It really didn't catch on until the late '80's or early '90's.Then the DNR,apparently not liking what was happening,got involved and the regs went from no limit,to 5 gals,to 21/2,to 2 gallons.All the while different sources within the DNR began whispering getting rid of it altogether.Then a case of CWD hit and viola!,they had a good excuse to get rid of it.Dad said years ago its too late to get rid of it now,its too much of an accepted practice and its big business.The DNR thought it use the CWD thing as a reason to get rid of it,now they have the state legislators involved,and license sales have plummeted to an all time low.Then they try to push APR's and their as controversial here as they are everywhere else.Firearm deer season was as popular as Christmas in this state years ago,not anymore.It seems like its all controversy anymore.
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Re: Baiting deer!?!
[Re: Feedinggrounds]
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11/13/19 07:41 AM
11/13/19 07:41 AM
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Baiting has always been illegal in PA.
PA hunters kill lots of deer. PA hunters argue a lot about the regulations in their state also. Michigan hunters also kill a lot of deer, so do our vehicles on the roads. Don't most hunters argue about their state's regs? We kill lots of deer with our vehicles here as well, around 4,000 deer/auto collisions a year according to the Pennsylvania Insurance Department. My post wasn't intended to put anybody down, it was meant to point out that there are lots of other ways to kill deer without baiting. And that the loss of the ability to legally bait is not the end of the world.
Eh...wot?
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Re: Baiting deer!?!
[Re: gryhkl]
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11/13/19 10:19 AM
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I'm glad baiting is still illegal here. There are some trying to change that. We have some hunters in this who will never find deer hunting easy enough for them, so they keep trying to make every shortcut legal, hoping they get to play hunter too. One group whined that some of the rules for handicapped hunter should be allowed for them. They got their way on some issues. Until you hunt with a self made long bow, wood arrows you made and fletched , flint arrow head that you knapped, no tree stand and in a loin cloth and moccasins you made, you're using shortcuts to make it easier so you can " play hunter" too. You need to get off your high horse.
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