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What is a "combat veteran"? #6665937
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I'm confused by the term "combat veteran." I used to think it meant a soldier who'd been in actual combat with a live enemy.

But when I was still in practice, I saw a resume from a woman attorney which said she was a "combat veteran." Her resume was otherwise impressive, and we hired her. Later, I learned that her combat veteran status was based on her being stationed in a designated "combat zone," and she had never actually fired a weapon at an enemy or otherwise participated in battle.

Was that woman justified in claiming "combat veteran" status, solely on the basis of where she was stationed? Or was she guilty of puffing her resume?

I don't mean to slight ANY of our veterans. My Dad is a vet. I respect and appreciate the service of them all. I'm only trying to understand the correct terminology.

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Re: What is a "combat veteran"? [Re: James] #6665945
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I never served, but if you ask me (and you DID!)...I'd say anyone who served in a designated Combat Zone qualifies.

Re: What is a "combat veteran"? [Re: James] #6665948
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P.S. - I know a couple of guys I consider "combat veterans." One suffered a traumatic brain injury from an IED in Iraq, and the other was shot down four times as a helicopter scout in Viet Nam.

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Re: What is a "combat veteran"? [Re: James] #6665961
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Yes. She would be considered a combat vet. What was her job in the service? She may not have had an actual "combat read" job. IE clerk typist and such.

It would also depend on when she was in. There was time when women weren't allowed to be in actual combat unless absolutely necessary.


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Re: What is a "combat veteran"? [Re: James] #6665968
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Interesting. Is there any term to distinguish the people who were in actual combat then?

Other than "heroes" I mean.

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Re: What is a "combat veteran"? [Re: James] #6665979
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My dad was a combat veteran in WWII with the marines in the south pacific.Wounded twice and has two purple hearts,However,,he told me about a quite a few of folks who were within binocular range of him in combat,,and received combat medals.LOl,,he used to joke about it.


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Re: What is a "combat veteran"? [Re: James] #6665989
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Id agree. Theres also plenty of soldiers that went on patrol that were never fired at but they did their job in a combat zone. I think the VFW has a good definition.

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It depends on when the military puts a date on a time period and in that period you have to be in theatre. You must also have received a campaign medal for that time period.
Yes there were doctors nurses, and many other military jobs during campaigns so no you didn't have to actually fire at the enemy.

A lot has changed as participants are for instance in the United States doing recon with drones etc by electronic extension and they may get the same designation?

Osky

There are also people who fought in wars that were never wars that we never fought. Central America in the 80's was one such. God bless colonel North.


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Re: What is a "combat veteran"? [Re: James] #6665999
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The VA defines combat veterans as veterans who served in a theater of combat operations.


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Re: What is a "combat veteran"? [Re: James] #6666012
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Technically according to her 201 yes, to old soldiers no.

Funny thing is most guys who've seen the elephant don't go around claiming it.

BTW, I'm neither a combat vet nor old soldier. Just a young dumb, at the time, cold warrior.


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don't sell yourself short, Warrior...those were very INTENSE times!

You EARNED our accolades!

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My grandfather earned his Combat Infantryman Badge back in WWII on the front lines inEurope. That is awarded to people involved in actual combat not just stationed in the war zone.


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Technically i guess she would be a combat vet. But she is a POG. I very highly doubt she saw any actual combat. AT the most she might have seen an ied go off on a convoy or a random mortar that blew up a port a john. There are lots and lots of people that went to the iraq and afghanistan theater. A small percentage of them actually went around kicking doors. To the actual combat vets the fobbits are not combat anything.


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Originally Posted by John C
My grandfather earned his Combat Infantryman Badge back in WWII on the front lines inEurope. That is awarded to people involved in actual combat not just stationed in the war zone.

The CIB is only awarded to infantryman that are engaged in direct combat with the enemy. The newest thing is all the POGs got jeolous of the infantrys CIB and they came up with the CAB combat action badge which is awarded to non-infantry personnel that was engaged in direct combat with the enemy.

The CIB is a rifle surrounded by a wreath and the lame CAB is a bayonet surrounded by a wreath.


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I was in Korea (near Pusan) December 1951 to December 1952, the Korean "Conflict" period. I hung bombs on B26 racks for a month or two then kept inventory records at a supply warehouse. Perimeter of the base was attacked by gorillas a number of times but not penetrated. At the sound of machinegun fire I dived under a table once. I received 2 campaign ribbons. To me that "conflict" was a war. Do I think of myself as a combat veteran? No.

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Originally Posted by The Possum Man
Originally Posted by John C
My grandfather earned his Combat Infantryman Badge back in WWII on the front lines inEurope. That is awarded to people involved in actual combat not just stationed in the war zone.

The CIB is only awarded to infantryman that are engaged in direct combat with the enemy. The newest thing is all the POGs got jeolous of the infantrys CIB and they came up with the CAB combat action badge which is awarded to non-infantry personnel that was engaged in direct combat with the enemy.

The CIB is a rifle surrounded by a wreath and the lame CAB is a bayonet surrounded by a wreath.


My father has his CIB he earned in the Mekong delta. I don't hold at all with these participation trophies non combat arms have acquired for themselves, starting with the black beanie. And I'm a non combat arms vet, though had the balloon gone up the tank ditches I would've dug was within sight of the towers in Czechoslovakia. I knew dam well what my job was and it was to dig in 2ACR so I could get to the rear to keep digging in.


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If I had to go to war, I wouldn’t want or accept any awards, medals, or badges. I’d do my job, kill everybody, and come home. And never tell anybody.


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Re: What is a "combat veteran"? [Re: James] #6666134
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I put vets into 2 categories........

Those who talk and brag about what they did. Usually the real story is nothing.


Those who don't want to, or never talk because of what they did..

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The link below will help explain the general definition

https://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=mcafee&type=E211US739G0&p=combat+veteran+definition

I am a combat veteran as I served in country during a war and in a forward area.

This should not be confused with the term "combat infantry badge" I am not a recipient of this badge as I was not in the infantry and directly in a forward area attack, battle or skirmish. We had raids, mortar attacks etc. but we were not infantry going out to engage.
Many that receive their combat infantry badge regard that higher then many other medals.

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Originally Posted by Furvor
I was in Korea (near Pusan) December 1951 to December 1952, the Korean "Conflict" period. I hung bombs on B26 racks for a month or two then kept inventory records at a supply warehouse. Perimeter of the base was attacked by gorillas a number of times but not penetrated. At the sound of machinegun fire I dived under a table once. I received 2 campaign ribbons. To me that "conflict" was a war. Do I think of myself as a combat veteran? No.

Furvor, I would respectfully disagree with you. Since you were in Korea at that time period, IMHO, you highly deserve combat status. I am sure at anytime, some Lt. could of stuck their head in the tent and said, " Furvor, get your gear, your going to the front." I greatly thank you for your service. I qualified for the VFW only by being stationed in Sinai Egypt. I could of fell out of a guard tower or got shot on the firing range, but oh well. I didn't realize Tman a Korean War "Combat" vet on here. We love to here some stories, Furvor!!!!


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