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Re: Edward Gallagher? [Re: danvee] #6675507
11/25/19 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by danvee
Yep the Monarch fired Spencer, every time its not his will he gets rid of them.
He takes plenty of crap being President he can hand some out. I voted for him to be Commander in Chief not second in command.


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Re: Edward Gallagher? [Re: Pike River] #6675591
11/25/19 10:12 PM
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From what I read it was more than just a picture that was the issue.



Re: Edward Gallagher? [Re: Pike River] #6675593
11/25/19 10:14 PM
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And just for the record I think he is a hero and did nothing that deserved imprisonment.



Re: Edward Gallagher? [Re: Pike River] #6675595
11/25/19 10:16 PM
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I for the most part took your train of thought, until a my stepsons Navy Seal cousin explained their code of conduct and ethics to me in someone what of a lecture and history lesson, He also explained what security consequence of taking or displaying photos or even talking about your mission. So I guess I stood corrected by someone that has been there and swore the same oath. As far as a presidential pardon and firing a superior for doing what they were supposed to do that is not right. It might be his prerogative, but duty not buying it, just my opinion and that does not make me liberal or stupid.

Re: Edward Gallagher? [Re: danvee] #6675897
11/26/19 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by danvee
I for the most part took your train of thought, until a my stepsons Navy Seal cousin explained their code of conduct and ethics to me in someone what of a lecture and history lesson, He also explained what security consequence of taking or displaying photos or even talking about your mission. So I guess I stood corrected by someone that has been there and swore the same oath. As far as a presidential pardon and firing a superior for doing what they were supposed to do that is not right. It might be his prerogative, but duty not buying it, just my opinion and that does not make me liberal or stupid.



I can maybe understand why it COULD be a security risk in this day of social media. BUT.........secretary Spencer was clearly out of line. As far as Trump issuing the pardon to Gallagher goes,Trump has Constitutional authority to do so and it is absolute. Concerning the order he gave to reinstate Gallagher's rank and trident..........that too is absolute as CinC.

If Spencer didn't agree with Trump's decision that's fine. He can either keep his mouth shut or resign. He was in clear violation of the chain of command.The Secretary of the Navy answers directly to the Secretary of Defense. Recall that SecDef is a cabinet level position and SecNav is an appointed position below ALL cabinet ranks.

For Spencer to go around SecDef and try to negotiate with some underling in the White House is clearly insubordinate and attempting to avoid the chain of command. It was right for Esper to fire him.





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Re: Edward Gallagher? [Re: goldnut] #6676372
11/26/19 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by goldnut
From what I read it was more than just a picture that was the issue.


Nope

Was acquitted of everything but photo.

Kind of funny of the Navy guy in charge was throwing a fit about respecting authority in military while disobeying THE commander in chief.

And got fired for it!!!!!

Re: Edward Gallagher? [Re: Pike River] #6676374
11/26/19 08:43 PM
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And he filled an IG complaint about wrongful prosecution right after pardon.

That's why they came at him again!

Re: Edward Gallagher? [Re: Pike River] #6676376
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Re: Edward Gallagher? [Re: Pike River] #6676823
11/27/19 10:17 AM
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I think when media brings war into the living room then it becomes harder for the people in the hot seat to even defend themselves.

Re: Edward Gallagher? [Re: mnsota] #6676830
11/27/19 10:25 AM
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[quote=mnsota]People need to get real and quit overblowing things. He is a highly trained (highest?) soldier above the rest. Almost a machine. What do you expect from time to time. They do America's dirty work

You our exactly right, The people doing the complaining would never go fight for our freedom.

Re: Edward Gallagher? [Re: Pike River] #6676835
11/27/19 10:34 AM
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Initially he was charged with killing a wounded prisoner with his knife. Other Seals in his platoon made the charge. I just can't buy that fellow Seals made up a story to get rid of one of their own. As he testified he has made moral and ethical mistakes.


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Re: Edward Gallagher? [Re: Pike River] #6676860
11/27/19 11:05 AM
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lol, this is nothing. How many rules do you think are going to be followed when citizens are fighting Muslims in the city streets here?


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Re: Edward Gallagher? [Re: Pike River] #6678861
11/29/19 12:33 PM
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I guess I'd disagree. Killing wounded because they are the enemy isn't right, especially if they're one of ours, hasn't been for a long time.


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