No Profanity *** No Flaming *** No Advertising *** No Anti Trappers ***NO POLITICS
No Non-Target Catches *** No Links to Anti-trapping Sites *** No Avoiding Profanity Filter


Home~Trap Talk~ADC Forum~Trap Shed~Wilderness Trapping~International Trappers~Fur Handling

Auction Forum~Trapper Tips~Links~Gallery~Basic Sets~Convention Calendar~Chat~ Trap Collecting Forum

Trapper's Humor~Strictly Trapping~Fur Buyers Directory~Mugshots~Fur Sale Directory~Wildcrafting~The Pen and Quill

Trapper's Tales~Words From The Past~Legends~Archives~Kids Forum~Lure Formulators Forum~ Fermenter's Forum


~~~ Dobbins' Products Catalog ~~~


Minnesota Trapline Products
Please support our sponsor for the Trappers Talk Page - Minnesota Trapline Products


Print Thread
Hop To
Page 1 of 3 1 2 3
Trump : Preventing Animal Cruelty and Torture #6675738
11/26/19 12:49 AM
11/26/19 12:49 AM
Joined: Aug 2016
Posts: 958
eastern washington
B
BillyTraps Offline OP
trapper
BillyTraps  Offline OP
trapper
B

Joined: Aug 2016
Posts: 958
eastern washington

Re: Trump : Preventing Animal Cruelty and Torture [Re: BillyTraps] #6675745
11/26/19 01:12 AM
11/26/19 01:12 AM
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 17,379
Coeur d' Alene, Idaho
J
James Offline
"Minka"
James  Offline
"Minka"
J

Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 17,379
Coeur d' Alene, Idaho
I hadn't heard of that Act, but have to wonder how "torture" is described. Can it be construed to ban trapping?

Notice how Trump praises the Humane Society representative.

Told ya that man ain't on our side.

Jim


Forum Infidel since 2001

"And that troll bs is something triggered snowflakes say when they dont like what someone posts." - Boco
Re: Trump : Preventing Animal Cruelty and Torture [Re: BillyTraps] #6675746
11/26/19 01:18 AM
11/26/19 01:18 AM
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 15,540
Champaign County, Ohio.
K
KeithC Offline
trapper
KeithC  Offline
trapper
K

Joined: May 2009
Posts: 15,540
Champaign County, Ohio.
I posted this on here last month. Here's the summary.

"Preventing Animal Cruelty and Torture Act or the PACT Act

This bill revises and expands criminal provisions with respect to animal crushing.

It retains existing criminal offenses that prohibit knowingly creating or distributing an animal crush video using interstate commerce. The bill also adds a new provision to criminalize an intentional act of animal crushing. A violator is subject to criminal penalties—a fine, a prison term of up to seven years, or both.

It provides additional exceptions for conduct, or a video of conduct, including conduct that is (1) medical or scientific research, (2) necessary to protect the life or property of a person, (3) performed as part of euthanizing an animal, or (4) unintentional."

The full text is here.

https://www.congress.gov/congressional-record/2019/10/22/house-section/article/H8355-1

"PREVENTING ANIMAL CRUELTY AND TORTURE ACT

Mr. DEUTCH. Mr. Speaker, I move to suspend the rules and pass the
bill (H.R. 724) to revise section 48 of title 18, United States Code,
and for other purposes, as amended.
The Clerk read the title of the bill.
The text of the bill is as follows:

H.R. 724

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of
the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the ``Preventing Animal Cruelty
and Torture Act'' or the ``PACT Act''.

SEC. 2. REVISION OF SECTION 48.

(a) In General.--Section 48 of title 18, United States
Code, is amended to read as follows:

``Sec. 48. Animal crushing

``(a) Offenses.--
``(1) Crushing.--It shall be unlawful for any person to
purposely engage in animal crushing in or affecting
interstate or foreign commerce or within the special maritime
and territorial jurisdiction of the United States.
``(2) Creation of animal crush videos.--It shall be
unlawful for any person to knowingly create an animal crush
video, if--
``(A) the person intends or has reason to know that the
animal crush video will be distributed in, or using a means
or facility of, interstate or foreign commerce; or
``(B) the animal crush video is distributed in, or using a
means or facility of, interstate or foreign commerce.
``(3) Distribution of animal crush videos.--It shall be
unlawful for any person to knowingly sell, market, advertise,
exchange, or distribute an animal crush video in, or using a
means or facility of, interstate or foreign commerce.
``(b) Extraterritorial Application.--This section applies
to the knowing sale, marketing, advertising, exchange,
distribution, or creation of an animal crush video outside of
the United States, if--
``(1) the person engaging in such conduct intends or has
reason to know that the animal crush video will be
transported into the United States or its territories or
possessions; or
``(2) the animal crush video is transported into the United
States or its territories or possessions.
``(c) Penalties.--Whoever violates this section shall be
fined under this title, imprisoned for not more than 7 years,
or both.
``(d) Exceptions.--
``(1) In general.--This section does not apply with regard
to any conduct, or a visual depiction of that conduct, that
is--
``(A) a customary and normal veterinary, agricultural
husbandry, or other animal management practice;
``(B) the slaughter of animals for food;
``(C) hunting, trapping, fishing, a sporting activity not
otherwise prohibited by Federal law, predator control, or
pest control;
``(D) medical or scientific research;
``(E) necessary to protect the life or property of a
person; or
``(F) performed as part of euthanizing an animal.
``(2) Good-faith distribution.--This section does not apply
to the good-faith distribution of an animal crush video to--
``(A) a law enforcement agency; or
``(B) a third party for the sole purpose of analysis to
determine if referral to a law enforcement agency is
appropriate.
``(3) Unintentional conduct.--This section does not apply
to unintentional conduct that injures or kills an animal.
``(4) Consistency with rfra.--This section shall be
enforced in a manner that is consistent with section 3 of the
Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 1993 (42 U.S.C. 2000bb-
1).
``(e) No Preemption.--Nothing in this section shall be
construed to preempt the law of any State or local
subdivision thereof to protect animals.
``(f) Definitions.--In this section--
``(1) the term `animal crushing' means actual conduct in
which one or more living non-human mammals, birds, reptiles,
or amphibians is purposely crushed, burned, drowned,
suffocated, impaled, or otherwise subjected to serious bodily
injury (as defined in section 1365 and including conduct
that, if committed against a person and in the special
maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States,
would violate section 2241 or 2242);
``(2) the term `animal crush video' means any photograph,
motion-picture film, video or digital recording, or
electronic image that--
``(A) depicts animal crushing; and
``(B) is obscene; and
``(3) the term `euthanizing an animal' means the humane
destruction of an animal accomplished by a method that--
``(A) produces rapid unconsciousness and subsequent death
without evidence of pain or distress; or
``(B) uses anesthesia produced by an agent that causes
painless loss of consciousness and subsequent death.''.
(b) Technical and Conforming Amendment.--The table of
sections for chapter 3 of title 18, United States Code, is
amended by striking the item relating to section 48 and
inserting the following:

``48. Animal crushing.''.

SEC. 3. DETERMINATION OF BUDGETARY EFFECTS.

The budgetary effects of this Act, and the amendments made
by this Act, for the purpose of complying with the Statutory
Pay-As-You-Go Act of 2010, shall be determined by reference
to the latest statement titled ``Budgetary Effects of PAYGO
Legislation'' for this Act, submitted for printing in the
Congressional Record by the Chairman of the House Budget
Committee, provided that such statement has been submitted
prior to the vote on passage."

There's an exclusion for trapping.

Keith

Re: Trump : Preventing Animal Cruelty and Torture [Re: BillyTraps] #6675751
11/26/19 01:31 AM
11/26/19 01:31 AM
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 17,379
Coeur d' Alene, Idaho
J
James Offline
"Minka"
James  Offline
"Minka"
J

Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 17,379
Coeur d' Alene, Idaho
I see that. Thanks, Keith.

Jim


Forum Infidel since 2001

"And that troll bs is something triggered snowflakes say when they dont like what someone posts." - Boco
Re: Trump : Preventing Animal Cruelty and Torture [Re: BillyTraps] #6675752
11/26/19 01:33 AM
11/26/19 01:33 AM
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 2,192
AR
T
TurkeyWrangler Offline
trapper
TurkeyWrangler  Offline
trapper
T

Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 2,192
AR
Why is it what certain people do with gerbils not included in this law?


Poor people have poor ways.
Re: Trump : Preventing Animal Cruelty and Torture [Re: James] #6675762
11/26/19 02:15 AM
11/26/19 02:15 AM
Joined: Jan 2014
Posts: 20,914
North East Kansas
Marty Offline
trapper
Marty  Offline
trapper

Joined: Jan 2014
Posts: 20,914
North East Kansas
Originally Posted by James
I see that. Thanks, Keith.

Jim


You see it says in plain language that trapping is excluded from this law but you say Trump is not on our side...anything to bash the POTUS...


E
'Honey Badger Militia'
Sleep, the anti woke adote.
Re: Trump : Preventing Animal Cruelty and Torture [Re: BillyTraps] #6675763
11/26/19 02:29 AM
11/26/19 02:29 AM
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 17,379
Coeur d' Alene, Idaho
J
James Offline
"Minka"
James  Offline
"Minka"
J

Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 17,379
Coeur d' Alene, Idaho
I quit watching when he praised the HSUS representative.

Jim


Forum Infidel since 2001

"And that troll bs is something triggered snowflakes say when they dont like what someone posts." - Boco
Re: Trump : Preventing Animal Cruelty and Torture [Re: BillyTraps] #6675764
11/26/19 03:47 AM
11/26/19 03:47 AM
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 29,750
williamsburg ks
D
danny clifton Offline
"Grumpy Old Man"
danny clifton  Offline
"Grumpy Old Man"
D

Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 29,750
williamsburg ks
are people still doing the gerbil thing? I thought that faded away years ago


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Trump : Preventing Animal Cruelty and Torture [Re: danny clifton] #6675810
11/26/19 07:24 AM
11/26/19 07:24 AM
Joined: Oct 2018
Posts: 5,570
Dunbar, Wisconsin
P
Pike River Offline
trapper
Pike River  Offline
trapper
P

Joined: Oct 2018
Posts: 5,570
Dunbar, Wisconsin
Originally Posted by danny clifton
are people still doing the gerbil thing? I thought that faded away years ago

?

Re: Trump : Preventing Animal Cruelty and Torture [Re: KeithC] #6675818
11/26/19 07:35 AM
11/26/19 07:35 AM
Joined: Oct 2018
Posts: 5,570
Dunbar, Wisconsin
P
Pike River Offline
trapper
Pike River  Offline
trapper
P

Joined: Oct 2018
Posts: 5,570
Dunbar, Wisconsin
Boy... I can see this:
Originally Posted by KeithC

(1) the term `animal crushing' means actual conduct in
which one or more living non-human mammals, birds, reptiles,
or amphibians is purposely crushed, burned, drowned,
suffocated, impaled, or otherwise subjected to serious bodily
injury (as defined in section 1365 and including conduct
that, if committed against a person and in the special
maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States,
would violate section 2241 or 2242);"


Used to undermine this:
Originally Posted by KeithC

(C) hunting, trapping, fishing, a sporting activity not
"otherwise prohibited by Federal law, predator control, or
pest control;"

Re: Trump : Preventing Animal Cruelty and Torture [Re: BillyTraps] #6675848
11/26/19 08:23 AM
11/26/19 08:23 AM
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 19,930
SEPA
L
Lugnut Offline
trapper
Lugnut  Offline
trapper
L

Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 19,930
SEPA
Like most liberals, James doesn't care about the facts as long as he gets to bash the bad orange man.


Eh...wot?

Re: Trump : Preventing Animal Cruelty and Torture [Re: Pike River] #6675853
11/26/19 08:27 AM
11/26/19 08:27 AM
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 6,683
PA
G
gryhkl Offline
trapper
gryhkl  Offline
trapper
G

Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 6,683
PA
Originally Posted by Pike River
Boy... I can see this:
Originally Posted by KeithC

(1) the term `animal crushing' means actual conduct in
which one or more living non-human mammals, birds, reptiles,
or amphibians is purposely crushed, burned, drowned,
suffocated, impaled, or otherwise subjected to serious bodily
injury
(as defined in section 1365 and including conduct
that, if committed against a person and in the special
maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States,
would violate section 2241 or 2242);"


Used to undermine this:
Originally Posted by KeithC

(C) hunting, trapping, fishing, a sporting activity not
"otherwise prohibited by Federal law, predator control, or
pest control;"




It's only a matter of time and the wait will be a short one.

Re: Trump : Preventing Animal Cruelty and Torture [Re: BillyTraps] #6675863
11/26/19 08:34 AM
11/26/19 08:34 AM
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 25,432
Georgia
warrior Offline
trapper
warrior  Offline
trapper

Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 25,432
Georgia
While the specifics of the bill as passed do not directly effect us I, too, am leery of any "animal cruelty" legislation being a trojan horse to use against us. It's my understanding this specific issue came about as a result of some sort of perversion where twisted individuals get their jollies watching videos of women in heels crushing things to include small animals. It became a federal issue as many of these videos were distributed via mail and/or Internet across state lines, aka "interstate commerce".

What troubles me though is why the feds have to weigh in on this issue? Why isn't perversion illegal at the state level? What kind of sick society allows perversion of this sort to even exist?


[Linked Image]
Re: Trump : Preventing Animal Cruelty and Torture [Re: BillyTraps] #6675865
11/26/19 08:35 AM
11/26/19 08:35 AM
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 19,930
SEPA
L
Lugnut Offline
trapper
Lugnut  Offline
trapper
L

Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 19,930
SEPA
Originally Posted by gryhkl
It's only a matter of time and the wait will be a short one.


Did you pull that "fact" out of your crystal ball or somewhere else Cliff Claven?


Eh...wot?

Re: Trump : Preventing Animal Cruelty and Torture [Re: Lugnut] #6675871
11/26/19 08:42 AM
11/26/19 08:42 AM
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 3,103
7mtns of CENTRAL PA
GROUSEWIT Offline
trapper
GROUSEWIT  Offline
trapper

Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 3,103
7mtns of CENTRAL PA
Originally Posted by Lugnut
Like most liberals, James doesn't care about the facts as long as he gets to bash the bad orange man.


HE'S the "GOOD ORANGE MAN" every month when I do my retirement fund recap!!!


NRALIFER,PRPA LIFER,HUNTER,FURTAKER
Re: Trump : Preventing Animal Cruelty and Torture [Re: Lugnut] #6675898
11/26/19 09:25 AM
11/26/19 09:25 AM
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 6,683
PA
G
gryhkl Offline
trapper
gryhkl  Offline
trapper
G

Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 6,683
PA
Originally Posted by Lugnut
Originally Posted by gryhkl
It's only a matter of time and the wait will be a short one.


Did you pull that "fact" out of your crystal ball or somewhere else Cliff Claven?


It takes a little thought to see what will be tried. I guess you'll just have to wait to see it happen, numbn--oops, lugnut

Re: Trump : Preventing Animal Cruelty and Torture [Re: BillyTraps] #6675914
11/26/19 09:41 AM
11/26/19 09:41 AM
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 29,750
williamsburg ks
D
danny clifton Offline
"Grumpy Old Man"
danny clifton  Offline
"Grumpy Old Man"
D

Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 29,750
williamsburg ks
i could see that law changing to eliminate hunting and trapping if the house , senate and potus moves further left


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Trump : Preventing Animal Cruelty and Torture [Re: BillyTraps] #6675919
11/26/19 09:45 AM
11/26/19 09:45 AM
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 29,750
williamsburg ks
D
danny clifton Offline
"Grumpy Old Man"
danny clifton  Offline
"Grumpy Old Man"
D

Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 29,750
williamsburg ks
I also don't understand a need for a new law. You would think that women killing animals with high heels already fits the description of current animal cruelty laws. The thing about video today is anybody with a cell phone can direct and video some heinous stuff. just like illegal drugs a new law wont help


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Trump : Preventing Animal Cruelty and Torture [Re: BillyTraps] #6675932
11/26/19 10:02 AM
11/26/19 10:02 AM
Joined: Aug 2018
Posts: 333
OR
C
Catcollector Offline
trapper
Catcollector  Offline
trapper
C

Joined: Aug 2018
Posts: 333
OR
.

Re: Trump : Preventing Animal Cruelty and Torture [Re: James] #6675948
11/26/19 10:19 AM
11/26/19 10:19 AM
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 28,715
Eastern Shore of Maryland
HobbieTrapper Offline
"Chippendale Trapper"
HobbieTrapper  Offline
"Chippendale Trapper"

Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 28,715
Eastern Shore of Maryland
Originally Posted by James
I quit watching when he praised the HSUS representative.

Jim


What’s the issue with praising someone with good intentions?

You did it for 8 years.


-Goofy-
Page 1 of 3 1 2 3
Previous Thread
Index
Next Thread