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How otter are not suitcased? #6677013
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How are these otter not suitcased? 280 belisle, 330 belisle. Serious question.


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Re: How otter are not suitcased? [Re: drasselt] #6677022
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My guess. Since the body is fatter than the neck, the jaw on the body keeps the front jaw ajar enough for the otter to pull his head back through initially.


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Re: How otter are not suitcased? [Re: drasselt] #6677024
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Set in water ? Triggers on the top ?

I have always figured it was speed of the critter and the size of the trap relative to body size. I've never managed to suitcase one. Especially in a 330. 220 seems a better choice to me.

Had one by the tail in a 330 one time


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Re: How otter are not suitcased? [Re: drasselt] #6677026
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I'm with dirt on this one.

Re: How otter are not suitcased? [Re: drasselt] #6677033
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Curling away from the triggers too late?

Re: How otter are not suitcased? [Re: drasselt] #6677121
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Im with Dirt. I had mink and weasel do the same. I dont believe it is speed at all. I think they grab the bars with their front feet and pull their heads our before they expire. Another scenario is the inchworm arch they have in their back when walking/running on land, the trap snaps off when the arched back hits the trigger and the head is too far inward to be hit by the front jaws. That's my story and Im sticking to it.

Re: How otter are not suitcased? [Re: drasselt] #6677127
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Were these set on slides (otter approaching fast at a steep angle)?

Re: How otter are not suitcased? [Re: Dirt] #6677130
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Originally Posted by Dirt
My guess. Since the body is fatter than the neck, the jaw on the body keeps the front jaw ajar enough for the otter to pull his head back through initially.



What he said. I had one by the tail as well. Interesting experience in tide marsh grass.


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Re: How otter are not suitcased? [Re: drasselt] #6677133
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Dirt is correct.In a series 1 victor 330 they can escape completely.


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Re: How otter are not suitcased? [Re: lumberjack391] #6677172
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Originally Posted by lumberjack391
Im with Dirt. I had mink and weasel do the same. I dont believe it is speed at all. I think they grab the bars with their front feet and pull their heads our before they expire. Another scenario is the inchworm arch they have in their back when walking/running on land, the trap snaps off when the arched back hits the trigger and the head is too far inward to be hit by the front jaws. That's my story and Im sticking to it.


The sets were about 30' apart in a small fast creek. The 280 was shallow enough the otter coulda had his feet on the bottom. The 330 was deeper, maybe 2/3 submerged. Both triggers up I think. I'm starting to wonder about the inch worm scenario. I always figured they were powering their heads out too. These are brand new belisles and they're tight. I'll look for any sign of trauma, bruising, to the head/neck when I skin them.


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Re: How otter are not suitcased? [Re: drasselt] #6677206
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I'm with Dirt, they push their heads out

Re: How otter are not suitcased? [Re: drasselt] #6677209
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Got a stranger one, friend sent pic last season of otter in Belisle 330 that should have been suitcased but the BACK half was out ? Any guesses ?

Re: How otter are not suitcased? [Re: drasselt] #6677210
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My best guess was two otter and one pulled head out while other got back half out ?

Re: How otter are not suitcased? [Re: drasselt] #6677225
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Were they going upstream or downstream?


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Re: How otter are not suitcased? [Re: drasselt] #6677310
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No matter magnums or regular the jaws are only going to close as tight as the thickest part of the animal in one jaw. I would guess as the animal expires and the muscles relax the jaws close more tight than during the early strike.


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^^^^ I agree.


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Re: How otter are not suitcased? [Re: drasselt] #6677412
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I gotta side with White on this one


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Re: How otter are not suitcased? [Re: drasselt] #6677424
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If the animal is going as fast as some of you say, then I would thin both jaws would have hold of something?

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only conni otter catching i do is 220's hi and dry, 220's suitcase em.


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Re: How otter are not suitcased? [Re: drasselt] #6677461
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I think we visualize what an otter looks like when dead. Those jaws will eventually flatten the midsection to flat as a pancake, but an otter in life, is the Chuck Norris of the water.
I would expect that an otter's first reaction to a Conibear going off around it would be to tighten up its midsection to combat the anaconda-like ever-tightening jaws, while freeing its head from the other slower-closing jaws (their midsection is slowing the closing action of the jaws).

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