Trapping in rain / freeze / thaw conditions - Iowa
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11/29/19 08:18 PM
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jdk81
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Newer predator trapper in Iowa. We have highs near 50 and lows to the teens fairly commonly throughout trapping season. We have been having many issues with traps freezing up. We've had decent luck with wax dirt, decent luck with peat moss, decent luck mixing salt into those setups. Nevertheless we always seem to have traps freeze under these freeze, thaw, and rain conditions.
My question: is there any method out there that you guys are using to keep traps working through wet, freeze thaw conditions aside from resetting every couple days after a moisture event? (Rain or a snow and melt situation)
Out of all of the different methods we have researched and / or tried, it seems nothing is fool proof during these wet and freezing conditions. Thank you very much for your response.
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Re: Trapping in rain / freeze / thaw conditions - Iowa
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11/29/19 08:54 PM
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One method you didn't mention was using glycerin to keep stuff from freezing up. A buddy gave me a bottle but I have yet to try it. I just run straight peat and flip the frozen "pancake" off as needed or remake.
It's a PITA so I will be watching this thread.
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Re: Trapping in rain / freeze / thaw conditions - Iowa
[Re: Lugnut]
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jdk81
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Correct, we have not tried that. While it does make great sense. That does make sense and this is how I want to try it this year. Make a bed of peat, set the trap, pour glycerin over the springs and jaws, proceed to bed the trap as normal using either wax dirt or peat. I can expect to pull the pancake everyday, but the biggest issue we ran into was the trap actually freezing and not being able to fire. This seemed to get worse the more rain events we have between remakes. So it seemed like as the bedding material got more rain it gradually absorbed all the moisture and eventually froze. When the ground was hard frozen it seemed to happen more. Maybe we were creating a lake and liquid didn't soak into the normal dirt around the set.
Either way it just gets more and more complicating making a set, lol. Wax dirt, pan liners, antifreeze, glycerin, lol.
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Re: Trapping in rain / freeze / thaw conditions - Iowa
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11/30/19 12:36 AM
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Years back when I was much younger and trapping a lot of fox... I had never learned about using salt, waxed dirt or any of the other techniques used to day. When the ground started freezing, I did do a couple of things that worked well for me, and very few misfires because of frozen dirt. (1) I used crumpled up waxed paper over the pan and under the jaws. I smoothed it out very carefully. I Sifted as little dirt over the pan as possible. Unusually 1/2 inches and I released the pan tension to almost deadfall.(2) the other thing I felt was important, was to move the trap back from the dirt hole almost an inch. This way for the fox to look down into the hole he leaned forward more, therefore putting more of his body weight one the one foot and hope fully the pan.
Just "Old Timer's" historical perspective.
Garry-
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Re: Trapping in rain / freeze / thaw conditions - Iowa
[Re: jdk81]
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11/30/19 12:42 AM
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That makes a lot of sense! Hoping to try out a few different methods this year. Traps don't do any good sitting in the shed.. definitely wont catch then! Haha.
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Re: Trapping in rain / freeze / thaw conditions - Iowa
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11/30/19 12:53 AM
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Everything even wax dirt/sand will fail at some point. Running sand with peat inside the jaws has worked well for me this year through some pretty nasty conditions as I've putzed around. I intend to start trapping hard on Monday and we just got fresh rain. I am not lugging enough wax sand around to do all of my sets so the others will be bone dry peat/ table salt as needed. Peat works very well for me as long as you don't get a rain on top of it.....then like Lugnut said you just have to flip off the top that's froze or if you don't want to miss a night put down some table salt....
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Re: Trapping in rain / freeze / thaw conditions - Iowa
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11/30/19 06:05 AM
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Bob
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I’ve been using calcium chloride at my sets, it works pretty good. Somehow I always put off making waxed dirt until I’m wishing I had some lol
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Re: Trapping in rain / freeze / thaw conditions - Iowa
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11/30/19 06:48 AM
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Years ago I try the salt to try to stop the trap from freeze, I always have problems with deer spring the traps because of they want the salt.Just to give some Idea on the use of salt.
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Re: Trapping in rain / freeze / thaw conditions - Iowa
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11/30/19 07:25 AM
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Yep it's just plain work in freeze thaw conditions here. I put up a lot of waxed dirt, cover hulls, peat moss, you name it. I even have a bale of finely chopped wheat straw that works a little in late extreme winter but not so good when it rains then freezes hard at night. I quit using calcium chloride and salt a couple years ago. Even though I wax my coyote traps I still had rust problems and equipment is too expensive to damage it in my opinion. Waxed.dirt works well but it's not bullet proof. I know they say dont go near coyote sets but I do each and every one of them use a stick and gently try to move the top bedding after a hard freeze. If you cant, neither can light critter and the trap needs to be worked in the bed with fresh material or at least the top crust removed and replaced. Set maintenance pays off for me and it beats checking empty traps that wont fire the next night. Pay attention to your sets. Jim
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Re: Trapping in rain / freeze / thaw conditions - Iowa
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11/30/19 07:45 AM
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Freezing rain may be the worst, but it to shall pass. I use one pint jar to bed/cover the MB 550 size trap so I get roughly 15-16 sets from 20# waxed dirt. One reason I stick to this size trap = use less waxed dirt each set = less $$ spent making waxed dirt. Then... Let 'er rain. That's when coyotes move! Let 'er get colder. That's when coyotes mean business! Happy Trapping I'm pulling traps today Gotta be back at seminary on Monday
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Re: Trapping in rain / freeze / thaw conditions - Iowa
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11/30/19 11:37 AM
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Coal shale, the year I trapped whole season, til end of January, I took 74 coyotes, I had some sets out 4-6 weeks that took some coyote, maybe 1/3-1/2 my sets were frozen, it helps to make the trap bed an inch bigger than the trap, dry dirt lasts maybe a week before the moisture leaches in and freezes
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Re: Trapping in rain / freeze / thaw conditions - Iowa
[Re: jdk81]
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11/30/19 09:10 PM
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Waxed sand is something we haven't tried but we do like the idea. Sounds like we've got some work in these conditions! Just hailed tonight..
First season goals: 14-15
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