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Re: Nuclear EMP [Re: foxhunter52] #6681351
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Living off the land will only be possible for people in remote areas.
Other more populated areas will be totally depleted of wild game and plants in a matter of months.In a lot of places people will resort to cannibalism to stay alive.

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Re: Nuclear EMP [Re: foxhunter52] #6681369
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Check out Survivalistboards.com

I had a discussion with a guy apparently planning on bugging out to the country . I told him it was best to stay where he was at. I told him it was people like him that were my biggest concern. Not for his safety but for me and mine.

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Re: Nuclear EMP [Re: foxhunter52] #6681391
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When the solar storm knocked out the power grid in Quebec it was back on in 12 hours. If we get invaded I believe we will come together not kill each other. Some emergency supplies are just smart and building a bunker is just nuts.


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Re: Nuclear EMP [Re: foxhunter52] #6681407
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I think we are much more likely to have a bad disease outbreak break things down, than an EMP. The Spanish Flu Pandemic of 1918 killed 50,000,000 to 100,000,000 people world wide. We have much better medical care now, but it could be quickly overwhelmed. Millions of people travel huge distances daily now, so diseases can spread much, much faster. Once people start getting sick enmasse, everything will fall apart.

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Re: Nuclear EMP [Re: foxhunter52] #6681461
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It doesn't have to be a full nuclear exchange... One warhead of the right yield popped in the right spot in the upper atmosphere would be enough to cripple the grid in the US.

Those big transformers you see shipped on special rail cars don't get built until there's an order for one... Manufacturers may have a few sitting in the yard. But there aren't enough on hand to replace what units are in service... And ironically, they're dang hard to build without power. Even if you get the power plants back up quickly you won't be able to step transmission voltage down to distribution voltage and so on... It would take years to get back to present circumstances.

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Re: Nuclear EMP [Re: foxhunter52] #6681495
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I'm not sure how many would actually survive, maybe 20-30%. But I'll bet those who did wouldn't mind wearing fur.

Re: Nuclear EMP [Re: foxhunter52] #6681512
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Cant get money from bank or atm,,cant get gas,,,store shelves bare in two days or less.OOOOH yea,gonna git ugly.

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Re: Nuclear EMP [Re: foxhunter52] #6681521
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would an emp destroy a transfomer or just the circuit boards? computer chips and that kind of stuff. aren't most of those circuits inside a grounded metal box? isnt a metal box another word for Faraday cage?


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Re: Nuclear EMP [Re: foxhunter52] #6681524
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I won't be here when it happens! Will be raptured out just before it all hits the fan.

Good luck

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Re: Nuclear EMP [Re: foxhunter52] #6681525
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Ruptured from heavy lifting?

Re: Nuclear EMP [Re: foxhunter52] #6681532
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Does anyone actually know how exactly an emp works? For example, does it knock out anything with electricity, or just anything with a circuit board? And does the circuit have to be on during the emp? For example would an old vehicle with a carb and points ignition be okay? What about a carb and electronic ignition but not running during the emp?

Re: Nuclear EMP [Re: foxhunter52] #6681538
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Will depend a lot on how strong the pulse is and how it will effect things. First to go would be anything electronic like computers and TV's. The cars since 86 at least are all electronic on fuel injectors and timing. All the grid is computer controlled as well. All the overhead power lines would act as an antenna to gather and direct the surge to the grid. Few if any transformers are built in the states any more it seems.


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Re: Nuclear EMP [Re: danny clifton] #6681558
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
would an emp destroy a transfomer or just the circuit boards? computer chips and that kind of stuff. aren't most of those circuits inside a grounded metal box? isnt a metal box another word for Faraday cage?


If I understand correctly, yes, a lot of things in and of themselves are capable of withstanding the hit. A transformer case is usually grounded and would shunt the the current to ground... But the conductors going in and coming out are not grounded... The pulse induces a massive amount of juice onto the conductors and anything connected to them that can't handle the load is basically toast.

In simple terms, power lines and wiring act like a giant antenna. The pulse induces electrical current into the conductors and, similar to a lightning strike, the current goes where it can.

And just like a lightning strike it is nearly impossible to predict what exactly will happen and what will/won't survive. But chances are good all the transmission and distribution equipment is gone.

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Re: Nuclear EMP [Re: foxhunter52] #6681561
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Anybody remember the old TV antennas with the little flat 2 conductor cable that connected to the back of your TV?

Ever disconnect that cable from the back of the TV and stick it to your tongue?

Same basic concept.

Mike


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Re: Nuclear EMP [Re: foxhunter52] #6681586
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Guess you had no toys as a kid eh?

Re: Nuclear EMP [Re: Boco] #6681605
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Guess you had no toys as a kid eh?


Just rocks and sticks... And a few magnets and some copper wire. grin

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Re: Nuclear EMP [Re: foxhunter52] #6681621
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The whole concept of an EMP attack has been in the news in the last year as the U.S. Government has finally begun to take the possibility seriously. They have also consulted with some of the better known fiction writers on this subject.

If I can make it to my cabin i would have a clean water source easy to an access that wouldn't require electricity, a good source of heat, a lake and sufficient isolation to be difficult for the crazies to find

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Re: Nuclear EMP [Re: foxhunter52] #6681626
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For make believe I have 9 seasons of the Walking Dead. The living seems to be the biggest problem on it. If there is mass death and there is not proper burial or incineration then disease would be the major killer later. Darrell, Maggie and Rick types would be good friends to have in those times, should it ever come.
At any rate preparation is always wise. I've known people that thought the end was near, sell or give away their possessions thinking today was the last. Their is nothing wrong with living a good life as if your judgment day was coming with the setting sun. Teaching or convincing others esp. the younger ones that they have no future is a terrible thing to do. I think its best to live as if this was the last day but to work as if it was never ending, and thus not robbing the young of any hope.
We were given two eyes, one for watching the Eastern sky and one to attend to our works for no man knows the time.

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Re: Nuclear EMP [Re: loosegoose] #6681640
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Originally Posted by loosegoose
Does anyone actually know how exactly an emp works? For example, does it knock out anything with electricity, or just anything with a circuit board? And does the circuit have to be on during the emp? For example would an old vehicle with a carb and points ignition be okay? What about a carb and electronic ignition but not running during the emp?


Anything with a coil will be unusable.
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Re: Nuclear EMP [Re: foxhunter52] #6681644
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There's a fellow at work who I would call a borderline prepper. He's convinced one day he will need every item he's stored over the years. In fact, he's says the world has become prideful and needs to be humbled. I believe he'd like to see something catastrophic happen just to see if he could make it through. Actually he's kind of an idiot.

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