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Nuclear EMP #6681066
12/01/19 11:26 PM
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A friend and I were driving through a small isolated town in western Utah. Out of the blue he says, "These people would survive a nuclear emp". (Electromagnetic pulse from the detonation of a nuclear weapon at altitude. It could completely shut down an internet and electrical power dependent nation.) Most homes in this small town had wood stoves and wood storage, it was a cattle ranching and farming community. They were over a hundred miles from the nearest populated area and they were used to a rough outdoor lifestyle. I think he was right. If anyone could make it, it would be these people. We continued talking about the problems an EMP would create; rioting, lutting, death from exposure, mass starvation and we wondered how we would fare. Like many outdoorsmen we felt we were quite prepared and capable of survival. But then who knows. It would be tough when the hoards of starving city folks came looking for something to eat. It's an interesting thing to think about. It would be akin to going back to the late 1800's Would you make it?

Re: Nuclear EMP [Re: foxhunter52] #6681072
12/01/19 11:33 PM
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If you have a wife and young kids, I don’t think you would make it. Unless you abandon them.


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Re: Nuclear EMP [Re: foxhunter52] #6681076
12/01/19 11:39 PM
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Too old to worry about that stuff.
The people that survive will be those who are part of and can contribute to a tight knit family/community looking out for each other.
Like a wolf pack,the lone wolves will be the first to go and wont last long.

Re: Nuclear EMP [Re: foxhunter52] #6681080
12/01/19 11:45 PM
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How are all these hungry hordes going to make it out of the city if their vehicles are zapped by the EMP too?


Re: Nuclear EMP [Re: foxhunter52] #6681085
12/01/19 11:53 PM
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I live in the country, but I'm only 15 miles from two sizable cities. I know I could walk that far if I was hungry enough.

Re: Nuclear EMP [Re: foxhunter52] #6681088
12/01/19 11:57 PM
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LOL,there wont be any food in the city-it will all be looted.

Re: Nuclear EMP [Re: foxhunter52] #6681095
12/02/19 12:12 AM
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Without meds most people today would be dead in a month if not sooner.

Re: Nuclear EMP [Re: foxhunter52] #6681102
12/02/19 12:20 AM
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Without i-phones most teenagers would be bored to death in three days eek

Re: Nuclear EMP [Re: foxhunter52] #6681120
12/02/19 02:10 AM
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if there is a nuclear war it will likely be an extinction event except maybe for a few indians in the amazon or something.


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Re: Nuclear EMP [Re: foxhunter52] #6681167
12/02/19 06:29 AM
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I don't think everyone will turn totally crazy. If people pull together like any major event it wouldn't be total anarchy. Depends on how big of area is affected.

Re: Nuclear EMP [Re: foxhunter52] #6681173
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Doesn't need to be nuclear. We get plenty of solar storms from the sun. In 1895 a solar coronal mass ejection hit Earth's magnetosphere and induced one of the largest geomagnetic storms on record, September 1–2, 1859. But more recent in 1989 a solar storm blacked out all of Quebec.

https://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/sun_darkness.html

Re: Nuclear EMP [Re: foxhunter52] #6681177
12/02/19 07:00 AM
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I'll ride it out at an undisclosed location in western Oklahoma. We have most of everything we would need to survive off the grid. We're 1.5 hours from a major city.

I'm not really interested in having a group beyond close family (I am the first, only and final vote). Maybe loosely associate with a neighbor or two for bartering and security.

The key would be hunkering down and not letting others know what you have. And, lots of ammo to defend your place.

Cool topic.

Re: Nuclear EMP [Re: danny clifton] #6681183
12/02/19 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
if there is a nuclear war it will likely be an extinction event except maybe for a few indians in the amazon or something.


I don't disagree but have wondered how likely that is now? Sure, the Russians still have plenty of nuclear weapons and who knows how many the Chinese have but it seems like the threat has changed.

I think it will be something else that causes . What? I don't know.

Re: Nuclear EMP [Re: foxhunter52] #6681184
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18-20 years ago an ice storm knocked out the power here for a week. That was fun. I watched an elm tree in my front yard catch on fire in the upper branches. Icicles were arcing juice into it. It must have blazed and went out 15-20 times before the electricity went out. Its always a good idea to have a generator on hand for freezer and frig. Get out whatever you need for the day. Freezer stuff to thaw and frig stuff in a ice cooler. Can run the generator for an hour if you dont open the door on either one till the next day. 3-4 Coleman lanterns and fuel are good to have on hand also.


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Re: Nuclear EMP [Re: foxhunter52] #6681194
12/02/19 07:19 AM
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There are some good fiction books out there that follow such a thing....one second after, one year after; are a couple

Re: Nuclear EMP [Re: foxhunter52] #6681200
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if a solar storm knocks out the electricity i doubt its more than a couple weeks to turn it back on nation wide. probably a lot less. if it happens during the winter it will cause trouble. without electricity , hundreds of millions of people have no heat. i never understood why anyone would buy a total electric home or even a heating system that will not operate without electricity


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Re: Nuclear EMP [Re: Blaine County] #6681202
12/02/19 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Blaine County
Originally Posted by danny clifton
if there is a nuclear war it will likely be an extinction event except maybe for a few indians in the amazon or something.


I don't disagree but have wondered how likely that is now? Sure, the Russians still have plenty of nuclear weapons and who knows how many the Chinese have but it seems like the threat has changed.

I think it will be something else that causes SHTF. What? I don't know.


More likly to be a biological weapon then nuclear in my opinion

Nuclear is expensive and requires hard to produce items while biological weapons can be produced cheaply with little expense

There have been several instances of groups setting up bio labs to produce various kinds of bio weapons that have been caught one right here in MN where they were producing anthrax with the intention of using it

Don’t know about now but I know that you used to be able to just order live samples of various germs and viruses from several places and the only restriction were on some of the nasty ones like hemorrhagic fever ect but there are plenty of them that could do mega harm but f released in large quantities

And any decently knowledgeable person can grow a virous with a little equipment and research





�Everything in excess! To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites. Moderation is for monks.�
― Robert A. Heinlein
Re: Nuclear EMP [Re: foxhunter52] #6681204
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well, we all gotta die of something


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Re: Nuclear EMP [Re: foxhunter52] #6681206
12/02/19 07:43 AM
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I sit roughly 1 mile from the third largest stockpile in the US. I won't have to worry long if one detonates......neither will anyone within a 90 mile square radius. That is roughly the blast corridor of just a single safe one.

Re: Nuclear EMP [Re: foxhunter52] #6681207
12/02/19 07:45 AM
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The danger is those that cant take care of themselves and just want to take from others. It would be worse than some imagine. People turn into animals quicker than most realize when they run out of lifes necessities. And once it started it would snow ball very fast. Having the stuff to survive wont be the problem. Keeping it would be the problem. And you wouldn't be defending it against a couple people but rather hundreds or thousands depends how populated an area you are in.

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