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Re: Groenwold questions [Re: danny clifton] #6680609
12/01/19 03:48 PM
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Beav, if your gaining a size wood vs wire your over stretching, no ifs ands or buts about it. You obviously haven't had much fur dressed either. They never gain in size, and in some instances shrink in size a little. Send off a few beaver to be dressed and see what happens in size.

Groeny will most certainly by fur put up on wood. They're position is its simply a complete waste of time.

Re: Groenwold questions [Re: danny clifton] #6680649
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When tanned fur is used it is blocked back to its proper size,its not used in the condition it comes from the tanner.
An understretched raw skin will block out to its bigger (proper) size after tanning.It will also be bigger than other skins in the tanned batch before blocking if it was understretched when raw.Its all about usable sq inches.Graders also bump dried skins up or down to account for narrow or wide stretch or pointed noses.
So beav is correct.

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Re: Groenwold questions [Re: danny clifton] #6680671
12/01/19 04:55 PM
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See plunger I knew I was right. LOL

And by just pulling a hide by hand you can't over stretch.


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Re: Groenwold questions [Re: danny clifton] #6680683
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I've always sold at the state auction and the averages always seemed to be the same with properly handled fur rather it was on wood or wire. I just plain ol' like the look of fur put up on wood.


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Re: Groenwold questions [Re: danny clifton] #6680691
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Yes Boco, I'm aware of how blocking works. I was pertaining to a raw skin size vs dressed size.

Trim items such as heavy coon aren't blocked, but are stripped and used almost in there original dressed size.

My point to beav was that if your pulling a pelt down on wood to gain a size or two your over stretching. Its very easy to tell when the fur is weak in the flanks that a pelt has been over stretched and a grader will down size that pelt to the proper size. You can't make a pelt into something it isn't was my point.

Re: Groenwold questions [Re: danny clifton] #6680697
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Skins for strips are blocked twice.Once to do repairs to the skin and take out the puckers and exess stretch from the leather,and again after cutting and sewing all the strip pieces together,to take out the pucker marks from stitching,and to give the strip a slight curvature to go around the collar or hood.

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Re: Groenwold questions [Re: danny clifton] #6680707
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You can't the maximum out of any hide that Is put on wire. Since you can't pull down the flanks to square off that hide. And we all know when measuring for size they measure to the shortest part of said hide. And pulling down the flanks to square off that skin isn't going to weaken that flank leather.
Plunger groney has you brain washed well maybe not. LOL


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Re: Groenwold questions [Re: danny clifton] #6680773
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Is a solid 29 inch dried coon skin from nose to base of tail a 2Xl or 1Xl with GFW...?

If everything is even across, minimum length anywhere is 29 inches...

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Re: Groenwold questions [Re: danny clifton] #6680856
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Wrong beav. You were brainwashed by NAFA, and look where that knowledge (or lack there of) got them....BELLY UP! I'll stick with the knowledge of a company who is thriving and expanding thank you.

Re: Groenwold questions [Re: danny clifton] #6680977
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You cannot over stretch by hand a good heavy coon. Boards give uniform look to sets and the length gained is definitely not a waste of time for the trapper. I don't want to argue what happens after the dress. If it is thinner in the flanks they will lower it a grade pile anyway. Silly argument actually. LLL


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Re: Groenwold questions [Re: LLtrapper] #6681103
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Originally Posted by LLtrapper
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just for the information of those who want to put up fur and sell to groenewold. they prefer the coon put up on wire stretchers over wood


Sold lots of coon to them that had been stretched on wood with no issue. I agree with dirt. LLL


Not doubting you did Larry...I simply stated what they prefer...didn't say they wouldn't buy em.

Re: Groenwold questions [Re: danny clifton] #6681104
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The amount of fur I will sell to groenewold this year is zero....only trapped a handful of rats and 3 mink...tanning my fur this year or trading in for gloves...so not gaining anything by defending groenewold...they are straight shooters in my book

Re: Groenwold questions [Re: Dave Plueger] #6681282
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Originally Posted by Dave Plueger
Wrong beav. You were brainwashed by NAFA, and look where that knowledge (or lack there of) got them....BELLY UP! I'll stick with the knowledge of a company who is thriving and expanding thank you.


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