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Re: NAFA fur [Re: otterman53] #6680743
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Furs will keep for a year or two without cold storage. They will be a lot staler and not worth as much but they won’t completely rot away.

Do we even know for sure that the cold storage has been shut off. Lots of speculation so far.


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Re: NAFA fur [Re: otterman53] #6680745
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I am still hoping I have two reds up there too. Hope I get something out of them, doubt it. Glad I had everything tanned last year.


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Re: NAFA fur [Re: wissmiss] #6680772
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Originally Posted by wissmiss
Furs will keep for a year or two without cold storage. They will be a lot staler and not worth as much but they won’t completely rot away.

Do we even know for sure that the cold storage has been shut off. Lots of speculation so far.


Don't know, but in the Bankruptcy creditors listing, they owe $43,181 to Toronto Hydro Electric. What I don't understand , is why they owe the National Trappers Association money. Did the NTA ship furs to NAFA ?

Re: NAFA fur [Re: Canvasback2] #6680776
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Originally Posted by Canvasback2
Originally Posted by wissmiss
Furs will keep for a year or two without cold storage. They will be a lot staler and not worth as much but they won’t completely rot away.

Do we even know for sure that the cold storage has been shut off. Lots of speculation so far.


Don't know, but in the Bankruptcy creditors listing, they owe $43,181 to Toronto Hydro Electric. What I don't understand , is why they owe the National Trappers Association money. Did the NTA ship furs to NAFA ?


My guess, advertising in the American Trapper.


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Re: NAFA fur [Re: Canvasback2] #6680777
12/01/19 07:28 PM
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Maybe they had ads they did not pay for and or other promotional expenses.

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Re: NAFA fur [Re: otterman53] #6680780
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They owe a pest control company money too,so the bugs will be chomping away.


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Re: NAFA fur [Re: otterman53] #6680792
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Just what happens when you try and manipulate markets instead of letting the free market forces work each and every year. I am fortunate after the coon debacle a few years back I never shipped them another piece of fur. I think I just smelled a rotten rat turns out it was already past rotten, rancid I believe fits.

Re: NAFA fur [Re: otterman53] #6681009
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It looks like after the Aug 2019 sale there were between 4 and 5 thousand western bobcats bought back not to mention the thousands of other cats from other regions. One of the western cats was mine. It could have sold for $800 at the January sale, but the auctioneer wouldn't go that low. Now it's collecting dust. Sad state of affairs.

Re: NAFA fur [Re: foxhunter52] #6681253
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Hey Foxhunter, That's a lot of fancy cats and I bet most or a good amount of those are Michael Pappas brand he's owed 1.2 mil on the sheet so I would speculate that was what sold of his.... What will happen to the fancy cat market? I'm guessing gasoline and match?

Re: NAFA fur [Re: otterman53] #6681255
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Will be very interesting attending the early western trapper auctions I bet there's gonna be many disappointed trappers w/ poor averages that will walk away w/ their cats and be sitting on them a very long time... Just a guess

Re: NAFA fur [Re: otterman53] #6681265
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Wiss miss, very bad idea to hold furs over w/out proper storage, mold, bugs, might as well take them to the dump now as they'd be beetle poop lickety split or maybe try some toxic brew to kill the bugs you'd need a semi load and then the pelts would be contaminated... I can almost hear the buzzing sound of bazzillions of grub mandibles feasting from 2500 miles away! uhg what a fine pickle the king and his jester have made.... But if they did let the furs rot/bugs it might actually be a good thing since we might not see the monies anyway and give those speculators a good dose of medicine and at the same time remove those skins from the picture all together... So as to clear the shelves of stale goods... fresh goods are always best... I always got a kick out of the auction houses and their "high clearance" ba ha ha…NO not high clearance simply a different owner/ consigner those pelts never went down range to market heck they didn't even get rotated in the cooler, Just more pelts to bog down next years fresh goods... Burn the place and call the insurance Co. !

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Re: NAFA fur [Re: otterman53] #6681298
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i'm shocked at this sudden turn of events.









Re: NAFA fur [Re: otterman53] #6681317
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If an Auction tells you before you ship that they have no/limited market for your pelts in their market reports, or the previous sales have poor clearances/prices, and trappers trap and ship these species, I can't really blame the Auction company for jamming up the pipeline.


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Re: NAFA fur [Re: otterman53] #6681341
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Catcollector - I never said it was a good idea to hold fur over without proper storage. I said you could. I’ve seen it done.


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Re: NAFA fur [Re: otterman53] #6681345
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I'm sure if they a owe electric company 43,000 is all, the power is still on. The power company is thinking in good faith they will pay, maybe just charge them 11% and 3 week wait for the check and wave the tumbling fee. laugh


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Re: NAFA fur [Re: otterman53] #6681370
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I kept trapping when the fur market crashed years ago had fur in a lot of different places waiting for the" recovery" that I knew would come took years to sell the fur got a check for cents don't remember how much got it in one of my boxes of "stuff". This is bad but the collapse of NAFA is no worse than what happened in the past people went broke some committed suicide, fur was in effect worthless. My 2 cents

Re: NAFA fur [Re: wissmiss] #6681443
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Wiss miss, I learned the hard way at age 12-13 my Dad and me had 20 or so spring beaver I did the fleshing and stretching Dad didn't like the price the buyer offered so he put them in a fur bag in the garage, well... several months later they were destroyed by bugs all my labor wasted... I held several thousand dried rats one spring to the next fall/winter in the freezer and were perfect, just laid them out several hundred at a time fanned them in a dry room to get up to temp and no condensation was well worth the electric as my average went from $6.50 cash buyer that spring to $10.50 after auction fees NAFA opening auction 100% clearance to China... Just gotta know when to hold and when to fold that's the very tricky part... They only have 16 gray fox of mine and a rubber check for 4 more so ehhh what ever... But if I'm not getting paid for them I'd rather see them destroyed than trickle over and ruin things going forward...

Re: NAFA fur [Re: otterman53] #6681515
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I wont touch stale fur-it doesnt tan well,and even if it looks OK,it doesnt last after dressing like a fresh skin.The leather is weak.Certain species are bad,fisher being one of the worst.Marten on the other hand hold over better than most if kept dry in the freezer.

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Re: NAFA fur [Re: WHSKR] #6682049
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Originally Posted by WHSKR
Just what happens when you try and manipulate markets instead of letting the free market forces work each and every year. I am fortunate after the coon debacle a few years back I never shipped them another piece of fur. I think I just smelled a rotten rat turns out it was already past rotten, rancid I believe fits.

Manipulating the market? Do you mean by holding the line and trying to force higher prices? Not just selling at the high bid?


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Re: NAFA fur [Re: MJM] #6682057
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Originally Posted by MJM
Originally Posted by WHSKR
Just what happens when you try and manipulate markets instead of letting the free market forces work each and every year. I am fortunate after the coon debacle a few years back I never shipped them another piece of fur. I think I just smelled a rotten rat turns out it was already past rotten, rancid I believe fits.

Manipulating the market? Do you mean by holding the line and trying to force higher prices? Not just selling at the high bid?


When did NAFA stop selling at the high bid? Selling below set minimums in the PT room, was not a good idea. If you don't think buyers would collude to not bid, then you are naive.


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