Just saw a couple clips from a video on YouTube of two PA teenage boys kicking a buck after they shot it. I think they said they were out of bullets and didn’t have a knife. I don’t think I believe them. They are laughing and carrying on. I thought people like that grow up to be serial killers

dem boyz iz in big trouble

pcr2 are they actually being charged with a crime?

This kind of stuff is what gives hunters a bad rap, especially from people who either don't hunt or are neutral to hunting.

yes,wish i could bring up the letter from our game co. thats on solomons words-google that and you'll see the statement put out about it.i'm not tech savy at all.

I dont think people like that grow up to be serial killers. It might push them in that direction tho. Bet there's hundreds of teenagers that have done stupid stuff and aren't sieral killers.

pcr2 no problem. I’m not tech savvy either. Good to know they are being held accountable I hope. I can’t understand people like that. In my day if I had done something like that I wouldn’t fear the warden. I would definitely known that my father would have set me straight!

Saw the sickening video.If I were there I would have pummeled them punks within an inch of their lives.

It indeed was disgusting! They need punished big time!

There is supposed to be videos of the two and another friend torturing a groundhog and a chipmunk too. Makes you wonder what else they have done that they didn't video.

I haven’t heard of any updates from the PGC, hope they lose their hunting privileges for a long time

Unfortunately, idiots aren’t relegated to just any one gender, race, group or family. They’re to be found everywhere in any field of endeavor. Be it sporting or professional.

Didn’t Trump just make it a federal crime to torture animals or abuse them?

Can you copy and paste that story Rick? The site wants me to log in or register to see it.

The boys have been identified and being investigated. One of the kids was a son to to police chief who made him turn himself in. Curious to see how this plays out because technically it could be considered a crush video which have been banned recently from the bill Trump signed. Hopefully they get hit hard. Gives a bad name for all sportsman.

The law was to ban crush videos which I guess are a thing. Its videos of people crushing animals. How that wasn't all ready a law is a shock to me. I thought that was just common sense.

Reprehensible. Id like to see the game code violation and suggested penalty. Then for being stupid posting for all to see they should get another punishment. Something fitting. Like having to work at a pet shelter for community service. Maybe make them watch 12 hours of youtube videos of grown adults playing with dolls.

https://www.foxnews.com/great-outdoors/pennsylvania-wildlife-officials-deer-abuse Lugnut , it wants me to log on now . hears a different article .

Thanks Rick. I've seen the video and was wondering if any agency was going to pursue charges against these two psychopaths.

I,d say their in BIGGGG trouble .

check solomons words yesterday i believe Lugnut.

This happened Saturday.
The one is the step-son of the chief of police in Brookeville PA. He made his step-son turn himself in.
The other is the son of a local business owner.
One is 17 the other is 18. They will both probably be tried as adults.
They have a couple other videos out. One of them pinning a chipmunk down with a piece of gutter or something, then stomping on it's head.
The one with them and the groundhogs I don't think is them, but rather friends of theirs.

The PGC is investigating. While it may seem like an open and shut case the PGC is making sure to dot their I's and cross their T's to get the best possible sentence.

From what I understand the new law Trump just signed is not applicable because it doesn't actually go into effect until Jan 1.

Doing dumb things as a kid is one thing. From what I understand of this it goes far beyond that. Torturing an animal that is wounded is uncalled for. Laughing on top of it and thinking it's funny, I'm not sure they belong on earth.You are looking at 2 very disturbed individuals and yes they will be a major problem for society in the near future. A lifetime ban from all hunting, trapping and fishing is in order. A heavy fine in the thousands would send a message as well. Those 2 have no business ever owning a firearm either for society's sake. Immediately castrate them there's no need to have them reproduce.

I've been on this site reading for years and I've read threads when someone hits an animal and doesn't find it they get railed on. It does happen and that is part of hunting what these 2 did is not hunting in any way shape or form.

I was looking for it after you posted about it but couldn't find it.

Look at what happened to the guys that were Sportfishing and caught a mako shark and were towing it backwards at a high rate of speed and it was skipping across the water like a rag doll, they went to prison I herd, these clowns will be his cell mate!!

How does that make you any better?

THEY were torturing a helpless animal and laughing about it.I on the other hand would be doing the punks,and society a big favor by teaching them a valuable lesson.Probly I would stop them from becoming serial killers.OH,,and I too would get pleasure doing everyone that favor.WIN,WIN.

The Devil himself was 17 years old at some point. These boys need to have their hind parts handed to them. No wrist slap. I don't know if it will do them any long term good, but it is worth a try.

We have serious criminals out there that liberal judges let free to go do it again yet so many want to hang these two kids for doing something that was completely stupid and probably will regret. These kids need to face some kind of penalty, but what they did wasn't horrible. It's not like they raped some young girl.

How can you be certain of that?

Agreed.

If they get tried and found guilty in the county that this took place in they'll probably face some pretty severe punishment. The judge is known for not being very lenient.

If these idiots face the type of liberal judge you speak of theu will be in for a world of hurt. Liberals think animals have more rights than humans.

Not condoning the mistreatment of animals in any way but I get tired of the outrage and the elevation of animals to a human level or above.

Just this week, a young college girl who disappeared a month ago was found murdered. Her alleged killer had a rap sheet several feet long and was free on $295,000 bond when the abduction and killing occurred. Where is the outrage about this senseless loss of human life? Where is the outrage that multiple judges allowed the scumbag who killed her to remain a free man so he could continue his criminal ways?

The values of a lot of folks are seriously screwed up!

Look at the history of those rapists and murderers,,and a LOT of the times,,they started out abusing helpless animals first.I would B slap them punks silly.

So now your playing minority report and arresting people for pre crime? Your already assuming these kids are going to go to the next level. Guilty first, only in America.

No rusty trap,,just stating the facts.And I never said arrest them for what they might do.I said slap em silly for what they did do,,,on tape,,and laughed about it.Dont play that put words in my mouth game with me.Wrong guy to play that game with.And if you think what they did "wasn't horrible" like you said,,then you must condone it,,and have done similar crap yourselfe in the past.See how that word game works.

S&R, The one kid has a long history of rule breaking that goes back to at least the age of 14.
and it's not just penny ante crime.

Just because they didnt rape some young girl doesnt mean what they did wasnt horrible, it was. They posted "make us famous". Famous for being punk idiot pieces of crap. They only regret getting punished. They probably been doing this to animals all thier lives.

Sad Deal all the way around

My buddy and his girlfriend went to PA yesterday to hunt with a friend of there’s and he sent me a text saying the town they are staying in is the place it happened. He said most people but not all are outraged.

So now your playing minority report and arresting people for pre crime? Your already assuming these kids are going to go to the next level. Guilty first, only in America.[/quote]

Its on video, I'm not the smartest but yes they're guilty. Or does it have to go thru the courts so they are innocent at this point? ITS ON VIDEO!!! Are you thinking the video was edited?

And to others, yes human life is always above a animals life but this was ridiculous, come on man!

I been hunting, trapping and fishing most of my 66 years. I could never understand why causing a living thing to be terrified and cause it pain gives somebody pleasure. Those kind of people should be evaluated because if they enjoy doing it to animals people and kids would probably be the ultimate for them. I just dont get it.

These things worry me for another reason. If people receive extremely harsh sentences for animal cruelty, how long will it be before killing an animal in a trap is recorded and some one in authority decides it's animal cruelty?

I believe your true sportsmans do so in a humanly way and with much respect to the animal!

But there's many people who would still consider it cruel.

A difference between taking an animal for a purpose and not causing it intentional pain and suffering

I guarantee that most Animal activist would put that in the
Same category as trapping and killing a animal. This video
Is bad all the way around. Should they be punished yes
Should they spend years in jail. No

Because they were hunting, they won't be prosecuted as an act of animal cruelty, just like the kids that ran deer over with a snowmobile a few years ago weren't. The law keeps it separated just for that reason......for now.

This guy here is smart. He knows what coming.

I don't ever want to ever read on here again someone railing on someone for hitting a deer and giving a solid effort to find it which is what one should do from anyone that thinks what these 2 morons done is okay and they shouldn't be punished severely. They should be stripped of all hunting, trapping and fishing rights for life in the U.S. They just forfeited that right along with owning a firearm. For society's sake it's safer.

There is a hunter ethics problem in this case and I know where I stand on it. We all hunt or trap and I hope no one here would do what these morons did but I'm afraid I'm wrong. After reading the comments and responses I'm pretty sure in my thoughts some would have joined in and that's a he** of a sad state of affairs .Any hunter that is not outraged at this is on par with them or a relative.

Intentionally keeping a wounded animal alive for the sole purpose to torture it is sadistic plain and simple. This was not an enemy that killed and tortured other people. If you have any integrity or ethics you can see that. The deer deserved far better than that. How old are they? I think it's 17 and 18. They (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) sure should know better.

Would a mandatory military stint of 4 years straighten them out? Maybe, maybe not. They shouldn't have a choice and they don't get to stay in a safe zone either. Let's see how tough they are.

Critter mutilation is actually part of the homicidal triad

I agree with Badger 23. Just plain wrong.

Definitely not just dispatching a down animal.

I think most of us would have found an answer to that situation , in a swift and necessary manner.
Using a lot more respect than making a video to share it.

I seen this on the news several days ago.
I breifly watched video section until i knew i didnt wish to see any more,
Finding pleasure in what happened is very disturbing, to me and many that have responded.

When you see an act like this as a parent you just gotta wonder why it happened.

I wonder what eventually happened to the deer. Was it finally killed and taken home? No way am i saying what they did was ok. Just wondering what ever happened to the deer.

My thinking anyone that does something intentionally cruel to an animal or human is not right. I read once that kids that intentionally hurt pets have issues that need to be dealt with. We had a kid outside of Laramie about 15 years ago that ran an antelope down with an ATV to the point of exhaustion. Then hooked on to it with the ATV and dragged it home and turned his dogs on it. If I remember right they committed him because of mental issues.

More than 500,000 people sign petition to bring 'maximum' punishment to men seen assaulting injured deer

https://abcnews.go.com/US/475000-people-sign-petition-bring-maximum-punishment-men/story?id=67497770

I do not condone what happened, they need they're arses whupped plain and simple. Set straight and done. I'm sick of people like you man. Strip them of not only hunting, fishing, trapping rights but also owning a firearm to protect their families and self forever. What a idiotic progressive response. They are kids, whip there (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) and go from there is all that is needed, not your way of loosing all freedoms because kids did something stupid. Dang people like you, freedom gobblers are growing thick on the vine because you don't know how to deal with a problem and carry on, you just want to abolish it.

If there is ever a red flag rule to keep guns out of the hands of mentally sick people. I hope this act qualifies. Most serial killers tortured animals when they were young.

Their parents need their but kicked too. What are they teaching kids???

Exactly

upstate and Jayme, I respect you all and I'm in your corner most of the time, but we will have to part ways on this one. Blaming parents is absurd. My Mama was a bess'id women and I remember at 12 making conscious decisions that went again my upbringing. I knew I'd have to face the repercussions but did what I did anyway. Sissies claim it wasn't entirely my fault, my parents are to blame. It's time we get back to the real world and basics. Them youngins need their collective arses whipped soundly and the go from there. That's it!

Posting animal abuse online is now a Federal Felony! Those 2 morons are in it now! I wonder what role, if any, that Medicinal/Recreational dope had?

That will be their lawyers defence,,"Juul made them do it"

Sorry catch 22, but their not 12 and they need more than an arse whooping. They need jail time and mental help.

Yeh me to, sorry catch. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I truly respect yours but disagree. These kids need stiff consequenses and also some deep counseling. I did some stupid stuff as a 13 year old but not so much as a 17 and 18 year old?

I used the 12 years old to show that I was that young and made conscious decisions and these kids were older. Blaming their parents is stupid and lazy. I stand by my statement, perhaps our view of a arse whipping is different. But I (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) sure know they shouldn't loose their hunting rights forever like some ninnies have said.

I respect and appreciate that bass, agreeing to disagree is a great thing.

That's why I put the word "too". The kids need theirs whipped but their parents obviously dropped the ball TOO. My kid would kick the other kids but if he were there and saw what they were doing. He's been taught to NOT abuse animals and is as appalled by this deal as you and I are.

I did some pretty stupid stuff when I was 17 or 18. My mom and dad are good people and they sure didnt raise me to be what I was in my teens early 20's. I may have never kicked a deer and torched it and then put in on social media. Even if I would have done something like that I dont think I would have been dumb enough to post it for the wold to see. Maybe these two guy are really evil and will turn out to be ax murderers and do all kinds of bad stuff. No one knows for sure. One thing that is for sure is what they did isn't right and everyone can agree on that. But if I would have been caught and punished for half of what I did. I may have never had a chance to grow up. Prison doesn't make you a better person it teaches you how to live a life of a thug. It's a hard life to break, once you live it. There is no excuse for doing bad things no matter what they are. It took me a long time to realize why I was what I was for so long and how to fix it. I have came a long way in the last ten years and often think about what my life would be like if I would have got convicted for the things I have done. It would have hurt my family way beyond what could ever be fixed. A felony is a serious charge and will likely follow you forever. These guys need to be punished but if they ruin there lives for ever what good is even trying to straighten up? If they get prison time and multiple felonies they will never live a normal life they will live a thug life from here on out.

Jayme, these kids are 17 and 18, their parents have nothing to do with this. Punishing their parents or taking their rights away forever is ludicrous to me. Nuts!

I don't agree with taking away their rights either. I do agree they need punished though. As for their parents, they at least need a severe shaming for NOT raising kids that know better.

Catch22 Who is going to protect society from them? They are deeply mentally disturbed and you're worried about their rights. That's a progressive. So when they take their torture and killing up a notch are you going to slap their hand and tell them don't do that again?

Here's a challenge for those of you in this case that think these morons will be just fine. Why don't you have them babysit your young grandkids or kids unsupervised and tell them to have fun. Let them watch the family pets too. It should turn out great. After all they're just kids just give them a chance.

Sorry Catch22 I'm all for capital punishment in every state when it's warranted. This is not a case for that but these 2 are off to a great start getting there. Trust me I know how to deal with problems do you? It's plain to see you're a wrist slapper and I'm a hand chopper where it's warranted . I'm not the progressive. These 2 will be in the news again and it won't be for citizen of the year.

They maliciously and sadisticly tortured an animal that had no chance of survival instead of doing the humane and ethical thing to do which was to put it down out of it's misery. What part of that seems normal to you at their ages of 17 & 18? So whooping their *ss (telling them don't do that again or you'll be sorry) is really going to show them. It's going to show them that it's okay.

Well brother, we'll have to agree to disagree on that one. Holding parents accountable for youngins is questionable at the least. Some do the best they can but the kids still turn out bad. In some incidences it's not about parenting, I'm sure Hitlers folks didn't figure him to be the nutburger he turned out to be. To me, blaming parents is a lazy misguided fools errand which is a product of times in the real time. People have lost site of handling things imo.

LOL!

Watch a WI trapper Sam Wood on Sam Wood Outdoors on YouTube on this matter. I agree with Sam. https://youtu.be/9B0bqPl-hGc

Watched it.He has some good points also.

....like all y’all high and mighty, morally superior, starvin African savin, kitten cuddlin, Guatemalan refugee adoptin, rubber jaw trap settin yanks never stuck a lit blackcat firecracker up a possums......

That's the response I expected from you Catch.

Matter of fact,,when I was probly around 12 or 13,I caught my older cousin putting firecrackers in frogs mouths.I punched his braces out of his mouth.Thought for sure I was gonna get it for that one.When the old man found out what happened,he backed me 100 percent.Him and my aunt never spoke much after that.

... hopefully you’re not still punching kids with braces in the mouth lol

LOL,hopefully you not still putting"things" in possums butts!

.... I’m watchin these sorryass Dallas cowboys...and I think somebody needs to punch Jason Garret in the mouth right about the time a blackcat firecracker pops in his....

Fixed it for ya.

That was 50 years ago,,Im over it now.

No,,but I did talk the city kids into peeing on electric fences.

After all of 6 months on here you came to that conclusion lol? Put some old school in your thinkin man, dang lol.

Catch I agree the parents shouldn't be held accountable. I have seen preachers kids that were total POS's, and unfortunately I've seen a lot of parents that just simply should not have been allowed to breed.
But by your call???we should put these same very incompetent parents in charge of the discipline and arse whoopin??

That made me laugh! I sure did miss yer post ya Rebel!

Arent these parents business owners? And an LEO? They may or may not be good parents. We dont know them. And I dont want someone labeling or judging me on the actions of my kid unless they know me.

Years back I was driving into town and a kid was out in the front yard with a Y stick drowning baby rabbits in a puddle ,He grew up and became a deputy Sherriff .

I am Not condoning what these kids did and yes they need punished. But as a trapper i sure Don't want them prosecuted for animal cruelty , this would open up a door for us trappers and hunters to be charged with animal cruelty. remember there are a lot of people in this world thinks trapping and hunting animals is cruel.

I just heard an interview with some big wig in the town. From what I gather the stepdad and kid have had a strained relationship for a few years now. As soon as the video surfaced, and he recognized his stepson, he had his deputies make a copy to preserve the evidence, called the PGC, and the towns solicitor(?) and then bowed out of the investigation.

Oh well if they are business owners and LEO then they must be supurb parents?? SMH

You have labeled them as incompetent without knowing them at all. Read the above post that elk posted about the father of one of them.

I guess to you that doesnt matter though....all parents that have kids that do something wrong are bad parents! LMAO

Gold, It's the nature of the beast I guess.

So for those wondering about the cops stepson. The cop didn't meet the kid until he was 14. They had a very strained relationship. The step son hasn't lived with him for 2 1/2 years. So basically the cop had very little interaction with the kid. So to blame him for the way the kid was raised is asinine. But keep going with your judgement, it only serves to make you look the fool.

Elk I missed the part about him being the step son. But it certainly is my judgement/opinion and Im sure im not alone with it. Like I stated...all parents are not incompetent because their child did something unethical/disgusting. I agree they need punished fully. Thanks for your opinion.

I agree. My post was directed more to the person above you.

The other kid's parents business is suffering pretty bad. There have also been threats made against the families, and the business. The one media outlet up here actually did a broadcast in front of the business. It didn't paint the business in a very good light.

X2!

well lesson learned.....probably not.
Stop posting your entire freaking life on Facebook and Maybe you all could have less trouble in your personal lives.
so many women and me posting there daily drivel on it .
I am dismayed deeply from what i Saw. Dispatch it as humanly as you can, maybe carry some spare ammo or a knife if your a hunter?
or did i miss they did but chose to do this act?

Ron, Their excuse was they had no ammo left and didn't have a knife.

From what I'm gathering from facebook. They made the video and sent it out as a snapchat. One of the people they sent it to sent it to another person expressing disgust at it. That person turned the video over to the PGC. When the step father saw the video the next morning, and recognized his step son, he immediately turned him in.

Elk, if the guy didn’t have anything to do with raising him then NOBODY on here is blaming him? Unless I missed something? But someone had to have a hand in raising them? I’m just giving my opinion that whoever did shouldn’t be the one that handles the recourse? Sorry if you don’t agree! And gold are you saying whoever raised them could be very competent at handeling the discipline?

Bass, Im not saying one way or the other. Maybe they could or maybe not. Im just saying i dont think we should pass judgment on them without knowing them. Im out.